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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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so

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hey guys ryan sprague here from

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somewhere in the skies and welcome to a

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very special live stream we're doing

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this sunday evening so first of all i

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have to thank all of you for coming on

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here with me tonight and joining in on

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the fun on your sunday evening

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especially our two i'm going to call

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them co-hosts tonight they're not guests

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they're going to be co-hosts um and

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we're going to be talking all about the

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ufo story of 2021 our favorites what we

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thought were some of the best stories

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about ufos to hit us this past year and

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then what comes next in 2022 what do we

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hope comes next in terms of ufos uh but

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before we bring in our co-hosts um one

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of them was unfortunately not able to

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join us tonight chrissy newton she did

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have an emergency but she sends her best

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to everyone we send our best thoughts

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and prayers and love to her as well but

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we got someone who came in from the

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dugout and is going to be uh replacing

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about that um but before we do that just

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a little talk shop the super chat is

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open for tonight uh so yeah if you want

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to help out the show you can do so by

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doing a super chat a super sticker we'll

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put your comments up we'll answer your

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questions i want to know what your

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favorite ufo story from 2021 was and uh

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what you hope comes next what do you

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want to see in 2022 um so yeah super

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chat's open thank you thank you everyone

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for your support uh other than that i do

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want to introduce the little guy here in

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the corner this is this is my communion

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bust that i just had made this thing is

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incredible and a little terrifying i'm

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not gonna lie i had this made um by

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steve neal he is a artist in los angeles

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and um this thing is just incredible it

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is as lifelike as it comes it's got an

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amazing little pedestal here so he's

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gonna be joining us mr communion on the

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show every week now so yes thank you to

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steve neal you can check out his studio

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where he makes all different types of

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movie memorabilia and alien busts and

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stuff like that um his link is in the

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show notes below um so yeah that's all i

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got guys so without further ado let's

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bring in our two co-hosts for tonight

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first we have journalist at

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texasufosightings.com

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and co-host of the unidentified

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celebrity review so first and foremost

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ufo jane welcome to somewhere in the

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skies

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hey that communion

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awesome and so creepy i don't know if i

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have it in yeah

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in this space i think i'd have to put it

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in a different part of the house

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it's gonna go away after the broadcast

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for sure because i cannot be coming in

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the room in the dark and that's right

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staring at me but yeah while researching

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amazing well thank you for joining me

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tonight this is going to be pretty fun

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let's um let's bring in our second

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co-host like i mentioned unfortunately

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place is none other than the mouth from

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the south let me do his other little

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debrief and host of many podcasts

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including the titular micah hanks

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program joining us tonight

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is micah hanks what's up my man good to

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be here as always extraordinary to be

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here with both of you and of course to

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finally grace the presence of the lovely

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lady jane so i'm extremely excited to be

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here for this conversation tonight and

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by the way knowing it would be a

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historic conversation i i put on my um

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my little like

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i love it this thing in so now i feel

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like i'm ready to travel you know the

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seven seas maybe go all the way around

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the world and perhaps in fact tonight we

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oh we will we will and to celebrate i've

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got a guinness here so cheers to both of

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you cheers to everyone watching what do

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this is crawford bach

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beer i'm not a beer expert it's beer

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it's from a brewery that's in houston

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in here in texas so but yeah it's super

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you'd have a texas beer yeah yeah what

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this uh this this famous beverage right

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um she doesn't let me down but i'll tell

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you as you know my long time

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ultimate favorite is the guinness what

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you have in the glass there and i see

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apparently your your friend with a

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rather large um eyes behind you

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who's drinking it

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he's gonna be drinking partaking tonight

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as well i know i'm uh guys this is gonna

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be so much fun we're gonna this is gonna

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be super laid back everyone in the chat

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please feel free to join in um tell us

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what your favorite stories of 2021 were

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but i came to you jane and chrissy

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originally uh with what stories you guys

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wanted to talk about um in 2021 that

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happened with ufos and of course mike is

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in the program um but the first one i

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really want to talk about that i believe

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you brought to us jane was skin walkers

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at the pentagon this book crazy brought

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this up but oh she did okay we can it's

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it's of course i mean who doesn't want

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to talk about skinwalker i'm fairly well

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equipped to be able to talk about

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anything that chrissy

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when you when you sent the last minute

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invite she messaged me right afterward

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and explained her situation said thank

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you for covering for me and i'll just

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say whether it's the debris family or

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whether it's our extended family of

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which both of you are apart we all look

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out for each other so i got her back

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absolutely man and that's why i love you

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guys it's amazing let's say hi to some

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of the people in the chat here we got

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aaron desario rodrigo greg misfire jack

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we got matthew riot who's always here

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um but guys thank you thank you for

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joining us tonight if i missed you

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send me another chat here good evening

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to everyone let's start guys with

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skinwalkers at the pentagon i'm going to

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do a little synopsis here with the book

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george knapp tell me if i'm wrong george

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knapp combe kelleher and um oh my gosh

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his position do you remember yes so

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dod and uh as lakatsky and his

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what i'm gonna do jane before i get your

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any of the documentation that's been

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ufo related the reason you haven't seen

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the documentation is we use the

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statement of objectives format for the

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that is insufficient for anyone

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examining the contents of the contract

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from bigelow aerospace advanced space

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among the topics proposed

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a worldwide database of advanced

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aerospace vehicles

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there can be no ambiguity here this was

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being proposed as a ufo project now if

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you want to look at the tale and of the

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project you'll find over a hundred

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intelligence agency

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were ufo related in part of course i

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database that exists in the world and is

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currently being used by the us military

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confusing for the public over the last

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almost four years the the new york times

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that that 22 million dollars went to

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atip not to onset can you clarify the

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difference between ossap and atip

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yes um the name atip was a nickname for

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ossap for certain security reasons that

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we've put into the book

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but the difference between asap with the

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nickname atep at dia

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and a tip at the pentagon is quite

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distinct

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asap had 22 million dollars of funding

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it covered military and civilian ufos

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yielding a massive database

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now a tip in the pentagon

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as described in the articles

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was basically

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zero funded

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looked at specific military ufo

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encounters and very important ones

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because they had film

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and it had no contract

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so

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getting back to how did this mix-up

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occur

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i think it it's it's not deliberate it's

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not due to to to authors

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to television personalities etc it's the

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fact we were running

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not an official sap but a closed program

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i can tell you

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for a fact that within my own office

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they did not know except leadership

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yeah so and that is the longest video i

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have tonight guys so uh stick with us i

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promise that'll be the longest one but i

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wanted to really show kind of you know

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this this issue that kind of arose you

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know we had the new york times in 2017

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saying you know atip this huge pentagon

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program had 22 million dollars and now

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we come to find out through this book

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they didn't have a dime of it so what do

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you guys think what do you make of all

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of this stuff that they brought forward

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in the book and um just the book in

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general did this help the ufo topic did

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it hinder it um yeah yeah what are your

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thoughts jane let's start with you if

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you don't mind

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well i did not excuse me i did not read

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the book

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so i

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was reacting to the reactions of the

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book and so in my opinion i don't know

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that it helped i don't know if it hurt

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the ufo community but i don't know if it

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helped i feel like the majority of the

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conversation was around the book cover

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and uh why did it look so bad

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and

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listening to this interview now

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because what are we talking about today

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acronyms again and you know uh future

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offices right and

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what they can and can't do right so it's

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just it

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that part feels tired to me i don't

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think i

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was curious to clarify any of that

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where like specifically where the black

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budget money went so

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i think i guess you could say i'm a

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little jaded about

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these recent disclosures but skinwalker

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ranch is hugely fascinating to me you

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know

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aside from everything but

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that's my uh cursory

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uh glance on that

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i i will admit i was one of those people

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who went really hard on the cover and i

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regret it now because when i actually

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got the book like in my hands i'm like

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this is kind of cool it's got like a

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retro very simple feel to it a little

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melodramatic which is skin walker ranch

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in a nutshell in my opinion so micah

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yeah what did you make of everything

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they brought forward in the book and uh

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yeah yeah kind of this this issue that

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we have with the two programs

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i should first point out i was the cover

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artist you both realize that right

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i'm so sorry i'm kidding

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goodness oh

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no you'll get to know my sense of humor

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jane

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you know well actually i i did it i

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didn't make any critiques of the cover

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to to be clear since we have the artist

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with us right now

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i didn't do the art by the way at all

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but i was following people's critiques

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of the art you know now again i think

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that there was some very important

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information in the book

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and it definitely clarified a lot of

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matters i should also mention my

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colleague and co-founder at the debrief

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tim mcmillan also clarified a lot of

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this for us going all the way back to

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last valentine's day in an article he

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did for popular mechanics where he

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helped us kind of break down some of the

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confusion and some of the ins and outs

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of you know which program was which

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which one got funding what were the

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names and why were there different ones

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but briefly to kind of recap what we

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heard james lukaszki who had been the

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program manager there

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and of course co-author of this book

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describing

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what we had was the advanced aerospace

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weapons systems application program it

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was explicitly according to lakotsky a

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ufo program of course uap being the more

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popular term that the military prefers

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to use these days and apparently

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everybody else and this program it only

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ran for a couple of years but at some

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point you'll men you'll note in that

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audio soundbite you played there uh ryan

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listeners at home he mentioned at one

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point that uh this was not an official

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sap is what he said in a sap is

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essentially sap or special access

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program that's what he's referring to

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and at one point lakatsky at al

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uh in this of course you know in

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reference to all those who were actually

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managing this program

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one of the program managers actually

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with big bigelow aerospace advanced

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space but uh studies had been coleman

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kelleher who also recently did an

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interview on the paracast where he spoke

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at length about some of what they found

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but what they were trying to do was they

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were trying to get special access

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program status for that program and so

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in order to do this they appealed to

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harry reid and this is what's described

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in the book harry reid essentially wrote

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a letter they didn't want to use the

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asap name at that time because my

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understanding again is that that was

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classified at that time so they gave it

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an unclassified nickname which was atip

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we of course understand that to mean now

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advanced aerospace threat identification

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program uh but that nickname was later

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borrowed by an informal pentagon

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initiative that was led by lou elizondo

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who we all know and love and of course

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the rest is history but it was a little

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confusing in 2017 when the new york

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times first reported on all this and

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they said there was 22 million dollars

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appropriated for the a tip program as

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lakasky says that's actually not

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accurate the 22 million went to all sap

445
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it ran for 20 you know just two years

446
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didn't get the sap status and then you

447
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know it basically ended there but again

448
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the pentagon's a tip program actually

449
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did continue thereafter and again

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iterations under different names have

451
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continued since that time known

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popularly as the uap task force under

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the department of the navy

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and of course most recently there was a

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proposed

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amendment to the defense authorization

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act for fiscal year 2022

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that proposed a entirely different

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organization but the one we got

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has the catchiest name of all time the

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airborne object identification

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management and synchronization office

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just what we've always imagined

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so so easy and slick and cool sounding

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come on

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we'll we'll get there we will definitely

467
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get there but

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exactly the acronyms just get longer and

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longer um

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well kind i guess wrapping up the skin

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walker sort of thing i mean we have you

472
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know the show going on right now with

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the new owner of the ranch we have all

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these stories of what happened in the

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past we have these really crazy stories

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in this book about dino beavers and and

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shadow people and things coming in and

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out of portals and you know unidentified

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celebrity review with our good friends

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that jane also co-host the show uh luis

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and michael and rather uh they had james

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carrion on the former director of mufon

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um who worked with bob bigelow for a

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little bit um in partnership and uh you

485
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know kind of kind of um i would say

486
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pushed back that anything truly

487
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anomalous ever happened at the ranch so

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you have james saying this you have this

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stuff in the book saying that a ton of

490
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stuff happened you have stuff going on

491
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right now at the ranch with um the new

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owner owner brandon fugle so i don't

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know i don't know what to make of where

494
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this whole skinwalker ranch story is

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going who's telling the truth who's

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telling their own truth um which is

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subjective at many points and uh where

498
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that's all going but um yeah i thought

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this one was worth bringing up uh for

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sure so yeah any last words on

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i mean i'm speechless

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no i mean skinwalker is just it's it's

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like everything happens there but then

504
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nothing happens there it's just such a

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conundrum and

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yeah i don't really have i i don't think

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i can

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think of anything else yeah i'll also

509
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know in the book there's some very

510
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interesting references to people who

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went out there i mean you know former

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navy service men and women uh you know

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people who had worked in other branches

514
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of government who had gone out there to

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the site and who had worked

516
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describing that they came home and

517
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had this paranormal phenomena happening

518
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around their their house it's difficult

519
00:20:15,590 --> 00:20:14,000
to know what to make of that it really

520
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is and again you know there's this side

521
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of me i try to operate on different

522
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partitions on a single hard drive i've

523
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used that analogy more times than i'm

524
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proud to admit actually but

525
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you know but the thing is is that again

526
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there's that side of my mind that says

527
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you know we all could be children of the

528
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matrix and who knows

529
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what this is really all about and then

530
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there's the side of me that says and in

531
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defense of materialism you know let's

532
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look at the nuts and bolts so again to

533
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summarize lakatsky said the program

534
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looked at uap but that it looked at all

535
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these tangent phenomena and it seems

536
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like there was a whole lot of weird

537
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stuff that they were analyzing and you

538
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know

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kind of tangent to ufos and that just

540
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seems to really again raise all the more

541
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questions about really what the nature

542
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of the phenomenon we're dealing with

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actually is

544
00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,480
exactly ah god it's just so

545
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that area i i don't know what it is

546
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there's just something about it whether

547
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it's in the air under the ground

548
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something truly anomalous is happening

549
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here so hey you know i will follow that

550
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:12,960
show um into the ground as i'm sure they

551
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:14,799
will try to get as many seasons as they

552
00:21:20,870 --> 00:21:18,240
can and hey look if a tv network is

553
00:21:24,230 --> 00:21:20,880
gonna pay these guys to go do scientific

554
00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,240
investigations i'm all for it so yeah i

555
00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:26,400
look forward to whatever comes next in

556
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:28,640
the next season of skinwalker ranch but

557
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:32,480
let's move to our new good friend the

558
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,320
now 14th administrator of nasa mr bill

559
00:21:41,830 --> 00:21:38,880
nelson um he's made some interesting

560
00:21:43,190 --> 00:21:41,840
remarks about ufos recently so i'm going

561
00:21:44,789 --> 00:21:43,200
to go ahead and play one of those really

562
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,799
quick again these videos are gonna get

563
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,960
quicker guys i promise and uh give us

564
00:21:51,510 --> 00:21:48,799
some context about uh

565
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,520
his kind of developments here in 2021

566
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:54,000
what you've seen is what those navy

567
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:57,200
pilots saw in 2004 and there have been

568
00:22:03,029 --> 00:22:00,400
some 300 sightings since then

569
00:22:04,630 --> 00:22:03,039
and i've talked to those pilots

570
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:04,640
and they know they saw something and

571
00:22:10,230 --> 00:22:07,600
their radars locked onto it

572
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:10,240
and and then all of a sudden it was here

573
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,679
on the surface

574
00:22:15,750 --> 00:22:13,760
and then it's there

575
00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,760
uh and they don't know what it is and we

576
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,679
don't know what it is

577
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:19,919
we hope it's not an adversary here on

578
00:22:24,830 --> 00:22:23,520
earth that has that kind of technology

579
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:24,840
but it's

580
00:22:31,270 --> 00:22:28,400
something and uh and so this is a

581
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:31,280
mission that we're constantly looking

582
00:22:37,110 --> 00:22:34,880
what who is out there who are we how did

583
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:37,120
we get here

584
00:22:42,870 --> 00:22:40,799
how did we become as we are

585
00:22:46,710 --> 00:22:42,880
how did we develop

586
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:46,720
how did we civilize and are those same

587
00:22:52,470 --> 00:22:50,799
conditions out there in a universe

588
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,480
that has

589
00:22:56,549 --> 00:22:54,000
billions

590
00:23:01,510 --> 00:22:56,559
of other sons

591
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:01,520
in billions of other galaxies

592
00:23:06,870 --> 00:23:04,720
it's so large i can't conceive it

593
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:06,880
it was suggested to me by

594
00:23:10,390 --> 00:23:09,360
many different people they did want your

595
00:23:12,630 --> 00:23:10,400
comment

596
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,640
on what you think

597
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,120
the fighter pilot saw i think most

598
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,360
people saw that 60 minutes piece and

599
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:19,840
there were a lot of newspaper pieces

600
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,559
about whether or not it was russia or

601
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:23,840
china or

602
00:23:28,149 --> 00:23:25,679
perhaps more likely

603
00:23:29,350 --> 00:23:28,159
uh some extraterrestrial

604
00:23:30,549 --> 00:23:29,360
intelligent

605
00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:30,559
beings

606
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,200
uh what is your theory what you've heard

607
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:35,520
a lot of options which one do you think

608
00:23:41,029 --> 00:23:38,400
is the most credible if you can choose

609
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,039
my personal opinion is that the universe

610
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:43,520
is so big and now there are even

611
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:45,520
theories there there might be other

612
00:23:52,390 --> 00:23:49,430
and

613
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,400
if that's the case

614
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:55,440
who am i to say

615
00:24:01,830 --> 00:23:58,000
that planet earth

616
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,840
is the only location of a life form that

617
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,360
is

618
00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:05,039
civilized

619
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:06,880
and organized

620
00:24:15,990 --> 00:24:14,230
so yeah a lot going on there um

621
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,000
interesting interesting interview but

622
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,240
yeah he's been very vocal lately on the

623
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:20,880
topic and of course people are going to

624
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:22,320
broach it when they interview him

625
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,360
because

626
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:25,919
what was it micah the day after the

627
00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:28,640
report came out nasa put something up on

628
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,559
their website i recall you covering this

629
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,720
in an episode of the micah hanks program

630
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:34,880
would you mind commenting on what role

631
00:24:39,430 --> 00:24:37,520
you think nasa is going to play um

632
00:24:41,190 --> 00:24:39,440
what role they played in 2021 and what

633
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:41,200
they might play moving forward with the

634
00:24:44,950 --> 00:24:43,600
topic of ufos well certainly yeah you

635
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:44,960
know first of all

636
00:24:48,149 --> 00:24:46,960
i'm a fan of bill nelson

637
00:25:02,390 --> 00:24:48,159
i

638
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:02,400
program

639
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,320
for many years uh you know i couldn't

640
00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:06,080
imagine a better person to be appointed

641
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:06,960
to

642
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:08,559
the position of uh you know

643
00:25:14,549 --> 00:25:10,240
administrator as he has been now that

644
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:14,559
said uh it's obvious that he's also um i

645
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:16,240
i think that the indications we have

646
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,559
seen at least since his appointment um

647
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,360
under the uh the biden administration

648
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,240
uh indicate that he is

649
00:25:29,990 --> 00:25:27,120
very willing to speak out and and be

650
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:30,000
pretty elaborate in what he says about

651
00:25:33,430 --> 00:25:31,760
topics that traditionally have been

652
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,440
somewhat marginalized and yes we're

653
00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,840
talking about ufos or uap

654
00:25:39,830 --> 00:25:37,200
um

655
00:25:41,190 --> 00:25:39,840
under bill nelson we have not only seen

656
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:41,200
that when they were leading up to the

657
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,960
delivery of the odni report he was

658
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:44,960
saying you know i've asked nasa to look

659
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,320
into some of this

660
00:25:50,789 --> 00:25:48,720
but on the day of the delivery of the

661
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,799
odni report

662
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:52,240
again this being the actual report

663
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:54,159
produced by the uap task force under the

664
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,760
navy but then that of course delivered

665
00:25:59,590 --> 00:25:57,120
by the director of national intelligence

666
00:26:01,430 --> 00:25:59,600
to congress and then the uh a

667
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,440
unclassified public version appeared at

668
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:03,440
the website of the odni

669
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:04,559
that's the office of the director of

670
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,000
national intelligence

671
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,640
uh that same afternoon nasa put up a

672
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:10,880
fact page on uap and although it said in

673
00:26:15,350 --> 00:26:12,720
that fact page while nasa doesn't

674
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:15,360
actively investigate uap you know we

675
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:17,919
collect a whole lot of information on a

676
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:20,320
whole range of different things

677
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,760
and with all that data much of it by the

678
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,279
way i'll mention is available online if

679
00:26:26,029 --> 00:26:25,039
you go to i think it's nasa

680
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,039
or

681
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:28,159
earthdata.nasa.gov i believe but in

682
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,640
either case the failsafe method is just

683
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,880
google earth data nasa

684
00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:34,480
and you can find some of the kind of

685
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,000
information i'm talking about you know

686
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,919
data that nasa collects via satellite

687
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:39,600
systems and other kinds of informational

688
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,640
systems

689
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,240
around the globe and which it makes

690
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:44,240
completely publicly available

691
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,640
and so there are a lot of civilian

692
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:48,799
researchers and also some nasa employees

693
00:26:53,350 --> 00:26:51,279
i've spoken to ravi kaparapu at i

694
00:26:55,350 --> 00:26:53,360
believe glenn research center i think is

695
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,360
where he is and others that i've spoken

696
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,360
with who are interested in the idea that

697
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:59,600
maybe some data nasa already has could

698
00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:01,679
yield information we don't know or

699
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:03,919
didn't think to look for

700
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,240
uh you know in terms of uap and and how

701
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:07,679
that might actually be uh you know

702
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,720
obtained but

703
00:27:11,990 --> 00:27:10,559
but bill nelson has more explicitly said

704
00:27:13,990 --> 00:27:12,000
in recent days that yeah you know he

705
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,000
wants to task nasa with looking into

706
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,880
this prague program or issue

707
00:27:21,029 --> 00:27:19,039
uh and and furthermore to try and

708
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,039
support the uap task force or any other

709
00:27:25,669 --> 00:27:22,559
kinds of iterations it may take in

710
00:27:28,310 --> 00:27:25,679
government uh as as you know he can now

711
00:27:29,669 --> 00:27:28,320
larry sabato by the way uh who was with

712
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:29,679
the university of virginia and by the

713
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,520
way again that being bill nelson's alma

714
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:34,000
mater so i mean you know the portion of

715
00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:35,360
the video that you showed us there that

716
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,120
was kind of like a homecoming

717
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,960
for uh nelson because that's actually

718
00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:41,120
his his colleges i understand it but

719
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:43,039
larry sabato obviously had been prepared

720
00:27:47,430 --> 00:27:44,960
to ask that question and i think bill

721
00:27:49,590 --> 00:27:47,440
brought up the uap topic and navy pilot

722
00:27:51,909 --> 00:27:49,600
encounters before sabato asked the

723
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:51,919
question so again to have a nasa

724
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:54,399
administrator who is as

725
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:56,399
nelson appears to be

726
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,399
that's great i'm i'm thrilled and the

727
00:28:00,789 --> 00:27:59,679
last thing i'll say by the way even

728
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,799
though he's got a hat on his head right

729
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,320
now is there's a striking resemblance

730
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:05,039
between bill nelson and the bust on the

731
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:06,799
and they're behind him

732
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,039
i had to put the mets head on just for a

733
00:28:13,590 --> 00:28:11,039
little bit yeah

734
00:28:15,669 --> 00:28:13,600
all right i'm naming him tommy great

735
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,679
he's going to be named kami for now on

736
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:17,760
that's for all you russell he's suddenly

737
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,559
so friendly with the hat how does that

738
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:23,120
name him nelson call him nelson ryan

739
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,679
nelson all right let's go with nelson i

740
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,480
like numbers i like nelson man i think i

741
00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,120
think you can keep him around no i gotta

742
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:33,120
get some poindexter glasses for him if

743
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,559
we're gonna call him yeah

744
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:36,799
dude i'll work on that but we gotta put

745
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:40,640
some glasses on those eyeballs exactly

746
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:43,760
jade all right hit us yeah you've looked

747
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,159
a lot into nasa in the past um oh yeah

748
00:28:49,590 --> 00:28:48,399
on your channel and stuff um what do you

749
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:49,600
think what do you think of what they've

750
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,399
done this year in terms of the uap topic

751
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:54,559
and um do you hope they become a bigger

752
00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:57,919
part of this overall conversation

753
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,640
yeah i've been waiting i've been waiting

754
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,360
for a statement like bill nelson's

755
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:06,240
statement for nasa to just finally

756
00:29:10,710 --> 00:29:09,039
acknowledge that ufos are real when i

757
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:10,720
first

758
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,559
started discovering this phenomenon and

759
00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:15,120
thinking about it practically i was like

760
00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,480
well if ufos are real then the

761
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:18,159
astronauts know

762
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,279
and so my very early research was act

763
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,360
the astronaut sightings and learning

764
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,039
about edgar mitchell and all his

765
00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:27,600
interesting belief systems

766
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:30,080
or belief yeah i guess belief systems

767
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:32,399
uh the late edgar mitchell

768
00:29:37,350 --> 00:29:33,279
and

769
00:29:39,269 --> 00:29:37,360
conferences or things that they would

770
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:39,279
say and it

771
00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,279
i was just waiting you know for this

772
00:29:46,750 --> 00:29:44,000
year so because i i made a note here i

773
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,760
was looking back at it and in february

774
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:49,440
2017 so interesting this would have been

775
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:50,720
before

776
00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:53,200
if if my math is right if my dating is

777
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,640
right this would have been before the

778
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,640
big new york times disclosure

779
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:58,559
um

780
00:30:05,029 --> 00:29:59,760
nasa

781
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,039
time for you know finding e.t life is

782
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:07,840
now like the the time for the discovery

783
00:30:11,789 --> 00:30:10,320
of extraterrestrial life is now and

784
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,799
there were a lot of

785
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,600
foreboding or

786
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,159
war forewarning you know statements

787
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:17,840
about how you know if life is out there

788
00:30:23,830 --> 00:30:20,240
it is ubiquitous and we'll find it and

789
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:23,840
so to me that that said well they know

790
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,120
it's out there

791
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:27,679
and so they know that eventually they're

792
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,080
going to find it and disclose it to us

793
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:32,640
and so i do feel that nasa is a big part

794
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,960
of the uap equation i thought it was

795
00:30:39,909 --> 00:30:36,559
suspect that they weren't included in

796
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,919
the june uap report

797
00:30:42,310 --> 00:30:41,279
right and um

798
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:42,320
but

799
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,440
is it

800
00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,760
are all the members of nasa fully in the

801
00:30:50,549 --> 00:30:47,840
know i i think that's definitely a

802
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,559
question i do want to remind people

803
00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,799
uh that there's a new york times article

804
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:54,960
where you guys can go and source this i

805
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:57,919
can share it later but there was a

806
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:00,799
essentially a secret astronaut program

807
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:04,159
that ran from the 60s to the 80s so like

808
00:31:10,549 --> 00:31:07,200
moon landing to the 80s it had over 30

809
00:31:12,310 --> 00:31:10,559
astronauts you know so did they have uap

810
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:12,320
records you know would nasa have

811
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:14,960
absorbed those you know so i i think

812
00:31:18,950 --> 00:31:17,039
those questions will start to get some

813
00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:18,960
more answers now that nasa's in the

814
00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,320
conversation

815
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,760
for sure

816
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,679
awesome i'm gonna have to look into that

817
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,519
i wasn't aware of that

818
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:28,159
astronaut program wow really interesting

819
00:31:33,269 --> 00:31:30,960
yeah um everyone in the chat is um

820
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,279
is they're all saying some good stuff i

821
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:35,039
want to just mention this when aaron

822
00:31:39,509 --> 00:31:37,360
said there was a ufo show on broadway i

823
00:31:41,190 --> 00:31:39,519
heard it was awful that would surprise

824
00:31:41,990 --> 00:31:41,200
me it'd be a joke

825
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,000
so

826
00:31:45,830 --> 00:31:43,840
i'm not sure which one he's talking

827
00:31:47,669 --> 00:31:45,840
about but as for those who don't know

828
00:31:50,870 --> 00:31:47,679
i'm a playwright in new york city when

829
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:50,880
i'm not ufoing and um that's my goal is

830
00:31:55,110 --> 00:31:53,679
to get the first you know major ufo show

831
00:31:57,750 --> 00:31:55,120
on broadway

832
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:57,760
broadway is that i i say that with

833
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,159
complete love

834
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:02,320
because i would know about that musical

835
00:32:09,509 --> 00:32:07,190
there isn't one right

836
00:32:11,909 --> 00:32:09,519
not that i know of unless he's talking

837
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:11,919
about you know there was the um

838
00:32:15,750 --> 00:32:14,159
you know the uh oh gosh what was it

839
00:32:16,870 --> 00:32:15,760
called starman

840
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:16,880
um

841
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,440
oh god uh bowie wow his name completely

842
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:26,000
escaped me oh man what he did yeah man

843
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,200
on mars that's what i was thinking of

844
00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:30,000
star man wasn't that a tv show i am all

845
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:32,000
over the place tonight wow i'm a member

846
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:36,389
oh

847
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:39,360
one's here i love o'nei he's one of our

848
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,480
brothers

849
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,480
yep hello from your favorite bald

850
00:32:46,710 --> 00:32:44,880
scientist great chat thanks man thanks

851
00:32:49,269 --> 00:32:46,720
for being here he was just on peter

852
00:32:50,870 --> 00:32:49,279
robin's show recently yeah well he's one

853
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:50,880
of our mutual favorite people because

854
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:53,440
you know only i i think very very highly

855
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:56,000
of i actually gave him a quote for his

856
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,519
recent book

857
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,080
that just came out yeah yep yes indeed

858
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,480
so and i i think i own i think i own

859
00:33:06,950 --> 00:33:05,519
some form of or some format of copies of

860
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:06,960
every book he's ever written so again

861
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,440
our bald scientist brethren is

862
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,919
very very well admired here in this

863
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:14,240
cooperative space and time

864
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:16,880
absolutely put your book in the link it

865
00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:19,519
in the uh the youtube right there my man

866
00:33:23,430 --> 00:33:20,960
we would love to get the word out about

867
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:23,440
your brand new book um let's see just

868
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:26,000
picturing a chorus line of ets deborah

869
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:27,840
i'm gonna make it happen i'm working at

870
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:30,799
it i'm working on it um yeah i i love

871
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,000
this i love how big nasa is getting um

872
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,080
they're embracing this finally i think

873
00:33:41,110 --> 00:33:38,080
it's about time i mean look at you could

874
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,120
find nasa merch now at like every

875
00:33:45,269 --> 00:33:43,760
clothing store you can think of um so

876
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,279
they're almost going through like a

877
00:33:49,669 --> 00:33:48,000
rebranding so why not get in on this

878
00:33:51,669 --> 00:33:49,679
whole thing we want them there and they

879
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,679
should be one of the first to be talking

880
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:53,440
about all this in my opinion in my

881
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,320
opinion

882
00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:56,399
um

883
00:33:59,909 --> 00:33:57,679
real quick

884
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,919
yeah and i also want to um i think it's

885
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:02,000
2016

886
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:04,960
nasa came out with all these posters

887
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,919
that were there were mars colonization

888
00:34:11,589 --> 00:34:09,440
posters right right

889
00:34:13,589 --> 00:34:11,599
farming on mars and like all the

890
00:34:16,550 --> 00:34:13,599
different jobs you could think right so

891
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:16,560
you talk about branding and propaganda i

892
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:19,440
guess that's building you know up from

893
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,240
nasa you know prior to all of you know

894
00:34:25,669 --> 00:34:24,560
these disclosures yeah it's

895
00:34:27,430 --> 00:34:25,679
it's time

896
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,440
it is proper but man they were beautiful

897
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:29,119
posters weren't they yeah they're cool

898
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,399
yeah they're really cool

899
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:32,159
fantastic yeah

900
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,839
maybe next time we uh do one of these

901
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:35,679
together we three i'll i'll switch out

902
00:34:40,710 --> 00:34:38,399
all the posters on the wall behind me

903
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:40,720
yeah i should get some yeah

904
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,560
i think jane you know they make them

905
00:34:46,389 --> 00:34:44,240
available in high-res format that you

906
00:34:47,349 --> 00:34:46,399
can download and print if you want and

907
00:34:48,950 --> 00:34:47,359
so

908
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:48,960
you know for those who yeah and again

909
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,560
they're nasa products so my

910
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:52,560
understanding is that they are a work in

911
00:34:56,790 --> 00:34:55,040
the public domain thereby and so you can

912
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,800
for personal use there's no restriction

913
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,800
on just printing off those high res take

914
00:35:01,670 --> 00:35:00,079
them to king coast put them on a jump

915
00:35:03,349 --> 00:35:01,680
drive you know or email them now you can

916
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,359
email them and have those printed off

917
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,040
and then frame them put them on the wall

918
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,720
you got a great new nasa look for the

919
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:09,119
studio ladies and gentlemen

920
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:11,760
i know i know we all aspire we all

921
00:35:17,510 --> 00:35:14,240
aspire to have that amazing background

922
00:35:19,589 --> 00:35:17,520
at the micah hanks program for sure

923
00:35:21,829 --> 00:35:19,599
let's um let's move on to our third

924
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,839
story for tonight guys this is probably

925
00:35:26,069 --> 00:35:23,359
one of my favorites and i'll tell you

926
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,079
why in just a minute um this was the um

927
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,640
the uap and nuclear weapons press

928
00:35:33,109 --> 00:35:31,040
conference that took place this year um

929
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:33,119
hosted by robert salas who a lot of

930
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:36,480
people in the ufo field know he was a he

931
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,640
was part of a a minuteman group that had

932
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,359
a ufo sighting over a nuclear facility

933
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:42,800
that

934
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,240
the the base at the time and uh

935
00:35:53,510 --> 00:35:50,720
incredible story incredible story and he

936
00:35:56,710 --> 00:35:53,520
has made it his mission to compile a lot

937
00:35:58,950 --> 00:35:56,720
of these ufo and nuke uh incidents and

938
00:36:01,190 --> 00:35:58,960
have people come forward and and tell

939
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,200
their stories and testimony at

940
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:04,079
national press club events and he put on

941
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,040
one

942
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:07,760
quite a few years ago and now this past

943
00:36:13,349 --> 00:36:09,920
october october 19th at the national

944
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:13,359
press club and um i'm gonna play a short

945
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,400
video i promise short video here from a

946
00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:18,960
guy named captain david shindell

947
00:36:23,670 --> 00:36:21,440
a little back story here he was a air

948
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:23,680
force launch control officer and deputy

949
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,480
deputy commander at minot air force base

950
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:28,400
in north dakota he was involved in an

951
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:31,359
incident in 1966 where kind of like

952
00:36:37,990 --> 00:36:34,720
salus a ufo was seen over mana air force

953
00:36:41,910 --> 00:36:38,000
base and um took down the icbm missiles

954
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:41,920
10 of them and um he what he he says in

955
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:44,960
this uh press conference um which we're

956
00:36:48,230 --> 00:36:46,240
we're not gonna

957
00:36:49,990 --> 00:36:48,240
hear his testimony but we're gonna hear

958
00:36:52,069 --> 00:36:50,000
a little something he said after his

959
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:52,079
testimony um because it's what really

960
00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:54,480
tugged at my heartstrings um

961
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:56,560
he remembers distinctly all of the

962
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:58,480
officers at the base as this was

963
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:00,640
happening a lot of them were like

964
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,640
cowering in the corner they were

965
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:04,880
terrified they didn't know what was

966
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,400
going to happen was this the end of the

967
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:08,880
world were these aliens were these the

968
00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:11,680
russians what was going on and he had to

969
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:14,000
keep the you know the mindset of a

970
00:37:19,589 --> 00:37:15,680
captain at the time a launch control

971
00:37:22,470 --> 00:37:19,599
officer um to just figure out assess the

972
00:37:24,790 --> 00:37:22,480
situation and and do what you have to do

973
00:37:27,670 --> 00:37:24,800
to make sure no one gets hurt or the

974
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:27,680
world blows up and um pretty dramatic

975
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:31,200
story it really affected him like salus

976
00:37:35,109 --> 00:37:33,200
he was told never to speak about this

977
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,119
and it really ate away at him for

978
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,680
decades and decades and you can tell um

979
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:39,920
as he's telling the story he seems very

980
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:42,079
nervous but it was what he did at the

981
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:43,680
end of his testimony that really caught

982
00:37:47,990 --> 00:37:46,640
my my eye and made it very human so i'm

983
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:48,000
going to play that really quick for you

984
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:49,359
guys and then get your thoughts on what

985
00:37:54,069 --> 00:37:51,440
you thought about this conference so let

986
00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:54,079
me just pull this up here let's go it is

987
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,160
time for the truth to be brought out in

988
00:38:00,710 --> 00:37:58,800
open congressional hearings

989
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,720
this was in 1960

990
00:38:05,349 --> 00:38:03,440
behind the scenes high ranking air force

991
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:05,359
officers are soberly concerned about the

992
00:38:09,589 --> 00:38:07,040
ufos

993
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,599
but through official security security

994
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,040
and ridicule

995
00:38:15,910 --> 00:38:12,640
many citizens are led to believe the

996
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,920
unknown flight objects are nonsense

997
00:38:23,589 --> 00:38:17,680
to hide the facts

998
00:38:28,390 --> 00:38:25,910
that was in 1960

999
00:38:30,550 --> 00:38:28,400
but six years after that statement

1000
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:30,560
i was one of those that helen cotter was

1001
00:38:36,790 --> 00:38:34,000
referring to as being silenced

1002
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:36,800
his prophecy

1003
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:39,599
that has now changed

1004
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,640
i stand here before you today

1005
00:38:48,150 --> 00:38:45,200
i respectfully suggest that odie and i

1006
00:38:50,310 --> 00:38:48,160
take another serious look at its report

1007
00:38:54,630 --> 00:38:50,320
because i am willing to testify on all

1008
00:38:58,829 --> 00:38:55,829
robert

1009
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,839
salas is very special to me

1010
00:39:02,470 --> 00:39:00,400
um

1011
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,480
i wouldn't have come out and started

1012
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,040
talking if it wasn't for him

1013
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:06,560
um

1014
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:08,400
i had been searching the internet and

1015
00:39:11,270 --> 00:39:09,200
then

1016
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,280
later 1990s

1017
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:13,119
trying to find information on my

1018
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,359
incident and seeing if there was any

1019
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:17,119
documents out there for anybody was

1020
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:18,640
talking

1021
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:22,400
i didn't find anything and i gave up

1022
00:39:27,510 --> 00:39:24,240
in 2001

1023
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:27,520
i found an article on the internet

1024
00:39:33,829 --> 00:39:30,800
describing robert salas's incident

1025
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:33,839
and when i saw that i said oh my god

1026
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:39,910
the incident that he had was almost

1027
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:42,800
identical to the one i had

1028
00:39:47,109 --> 00:39:45,760
and i experienced a just a joyful

1029
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:47,119
freedom

1030
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,520
and i finally was able to tell my wife

1031
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,440
my secret

1032
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:53,440
and

1033
00:40:04,230 --> 00:39:54,400
so

1034
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,240
playwright as a dramatist really hit me

1035
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,960
i mean you could tell like how much this

1036
00:40:10,470 --> 00:40:08,800
affected this guy for so many years like

1037
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,480
could you imagine it's like i think of

1038
00:40:14,950 --> 00:40:13,040
when all these guys at uh skunk works

1039
00:40:16,630 --> 00:40:14,960
and stuff when they first worked at area

1040
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,640
51 they couldn't tell their family what

1041
00:40:20,309 --> 00:40:18,240
they were doing where they were going

1042
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,319
how long they'd be gone blah blah blah

1043
00:40:23,349 --> 00:40:21,359
um

1044
00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,359
you could tell this this event really

1045
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:25,280
affected this guy as i'm sure it has a

1046
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:27,200
lot of people and um a lot of people

1047
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:28,800
didn't know that this conference even

1048
00:40:32,790 --> 00:40:30,960
happened um even in the chat here people

1049
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,800
were like what is this what is this um a

1050
00:40:36,790 --> 00:40:34,480
waiting alien says it's on the robert

1051
00:40:39,829 --> 00:40:36,800
salis youtube channel so you can watch

1052
00:40:42,390 --> 00:40:39,839
the entire uh press conference that took

1053
00:40:43,990 --> 00:40:42,400
place in october online for free and

1054
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,000
then i'm not kidding i think it was a

1055
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:46,480
week after this is when we got uh the

1056
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,319
gila brand amendment first announced i'm

1057
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:50,800
not saying they were connected but um i

1058
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,280
think it was really good timing so yeah

1059
00:40:57,430 --> 00:40:54,720
what did you guys think about this

1060
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,440
conference and just the entire ufos and

1061
00:41:00,630 --> 00:40:59,680
nukes topic in general micah let's start

1062
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:00,640
with you

1063
00:41:04,790 --> 00:41:03,280
well on that not uh note yeah again it

1064
00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:04,800
had been announced that that event was

1065
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:07,200
going to happen i must again give credit

1066
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,760
to my colleague chrissy newton or agent

1067
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:11,599
newton as i call her

1068
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:13,359
who does more than just handle the media

1069
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:14,720
and the marketing side of what we do at

1070
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:16,079
the debrief

1071
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,599
chrissy and her own right is as good a

1072
00:41:21,510 --> 00:41:19,520
ufo researcher as any and she's as well

1073
00:41:23,990 --> 00:41:21,520
connected in this community

1074
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:24,000
um and you know she had actually i think

1075
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:25,359
been the first that brought to my

1076
00:41:28,230 --> 00:41:26,720
attention that there was going to be

1077
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,240
another press conference and i say

1078
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,079
another because again if you recall

1079
00:41:33,829 --> 00:41:31,680
throughout the early 2000s there were

1080
00:41:35,829 --> 00:41:33,839
several some of which of course we had

1081
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:35,839
robert salas in attendance there at the

1082
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:38,000
national press club where they were

1083
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,000
you know talking about

1084
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,560
these experiences that former uh air

1085
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:44,880
force servicemen had had primarily

1086
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:46,800
throughout the 1960s and and this

1087
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,720
involving a couple of incidents and i'll

1088
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,560
just mention again you know what salus

1089
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,160
experienced there at um

1090
00:41:56,950 --> 00:41:54,720
maelstrom or malmstrom univ or uh air

1091
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:56,960
force base there was a similar incident

1092
00:42:00,069 --> 00:41:58,400
similar incidents in fact that occurred

1093
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:00,079
along many of the northern interior

1094
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,440
bases one had been mino air force base

1095
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:05,680
and others a great resource for

1096
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,440
information on some of those one of the

1097
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,359
first really that reported you know

1098
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:11,760
widely on that on at the time what were

1099
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:13,280
newly obtained

1100
00:42:17,589 --> 00:42:15,359
documents uh via the freedom of

1101
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,599
information act uh request

1102
00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:20,000
uh were the uh or rather was the book

1103
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,760
called clear intent it was republished

1104
00:42:27,030 --> 00:42:23,920
under a different title the ufo cover-up

1105
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,040
but that was by um barry greenwood and

1106
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:29,359
uh lawrence fossett and that book again

1107
00:42:33,750 --> 00:42:32,319
you know it sources from uh documents

1108
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:33,760
from the for instance the national

1109
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,520
military command center that describe

1110
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:38,160
all the uh events that salus and some of

1111
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:39,760
his uh fellow servicemen former

1112
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:42,000
servicemen are describing right there

1113
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,920
but when that uh event was brought to my

1114
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,520
attention i reached out to robert salas

1115
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,960
immediately

1116
00:42:50,630 --> 00:42:48,880
and i and i asked him i emailed him and

1117
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:50,640
i said robert you know is there any way

1118
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:53,040
that we could talk about this in advance

1119
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:54,560
of the event

1120
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:56,240
i'd like to have you on my show the

1121
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,359
micah hanks program but i'd like to also

1122
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,040
write about the event

1123
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:03,280
uh there at the debrief

1124
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,480
and he said you know i'm not going to do

1125
00:43:08,069 --> 00:43:06,160
a lot of interviews before this because

1126
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,079
the whole idea is to promote this you

1127
00:43:11,829 --> 00:43:10,079
know and and build up to that event but

1128
00:43:13,190 --> 00:43:11,839
he said but i follow what you do and i

1129
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:13,200
read what you write for the debrief

1130
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,240
which was incredibly humbling for me

1131
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,680
because i have tremendous respect not

1132
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,640
only for

1133
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,960
robert salas and for his

1134
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:22,560
courageous

1135
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,400
and and frankly i think um i mean just

1136
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:28,079
unparalleled efforts

1137
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,000
to try and bring awareness to this issue

1138
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,680
but i mean to all of our service women

1139
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,000
and men who have put their lives on the

1140
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:36,000
line and occasionally experienced things

1141
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,280
that they don't understand this has

1142
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,839
become increasingly apparent in recent

1143
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,880
years

1144
00:43:43,190 --> 00:43:41,920
so

1145
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:43,200
you know very humbling not only that

1146
00:43:46,309 --> 00:43:44,560
robert would say i read your stuff but

1147
00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:46,319
yeah i'm going to do an interview with

1148
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:48,560
you can we just stick to certain facts

1149
00:43:53,349 --> 00:43:50,720
but but i would like to do this and so

1150
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,359
not only did i speak with him but then

1151
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:55,680
the debrief covered the event

1152
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,000
and i was shocked ryan to see only maybe

1153
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,839
two or three other outlets

1154
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,560
yeah mainstream even even approach it

1155
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,480
and to this day people are still saying

1156
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,000
hey well you know what was that when

1157
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:07,520
when did that happen when did this guy

1158
00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:08,880
get up there and you know tell these

1159
00:44:13,030 --> 00:44:10,960
stories what's this all about folks this

1160
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:13,040
has been an issue for years and in the

1161
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,640
gila brand amendment you're right ryan

1162
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,359
there was a provision that uh

1163
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:20,000
explicitly said that uap incidents

1164
00:44:24,309 --> 00:44:21,760
occurring around nuclear facilities need

1165
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,319
to be observed and need to be understood

1166
00:44:26,950 --> 00:44:25,680
if there is

1167
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:26,960
ever

1168
00:44:31,670 --> 00:44:29,599
an instance within ufo or uap studies

1169
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:31,680
that indicates a challenge or

1170
00:44:35,510 --> 00:44:33,599
potentially a threat to national

1171
00:44:37,270 --> 00:44:35,520
security i couldn't imagine a better one

1172
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:37,280
than aerial incursions around nuclear

1173
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,480
bases where they are capable of

1174
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:41,040
disabling our icbms is what robert salas

1175
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,319
described right there so again i have

1176
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,400
tremendous respect for the man and his

1177
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,920
courageous efforts to bring attention to

1178
00:44:48,950 --> 00:44:47,599
this issue it's just a shame that there

1179
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:48,960
aren't more outlets that are willing to

1180
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:51,280
broach that topic thank you i'm good on

1181
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:54,400
you chrissy newman or chrissy newton

1182
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:56,400
for bringing attention to it to me to

1183
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:57,520
you know for putting it on the list

1184
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,800
tonight and again to both of you for

1185
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:01,440
talking about it here on this program

1186
00:45:05,349 --> 00:45:03,440
absolutely and mark thank you for the

1187
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:05,359
super sticker really appreciate it

1188
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:07,680
brother um jane what do you think about

1189
00:45:13,829 --> 00:45:11,599
the entire ufos and nukes and the the um

1190
00:45:16,309 --> 00:45:13,839
yeah do you think this press conference

1191
00:45:18,630 --> 00:45:16,319
made any waves in washington i mean

1192
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:18,640
that's why they did it there and you

1193
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:20,400
know

1194
00:45:24,230 --> 00:45:22,400
yeah i mean maybe it affected people who

1195
00:45:25,910 --> 00:45:24,240
are there literally in washington who

1196
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:25,920
would be drafting an amendment right so

1197
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:29,040
def i'm sure it had some effects right

1198
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:30,400
uh but

1199
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,040
i don't know that the general public or

1200
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:36,240
you know outside washington really

1201
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:39,760
caught on to that story as far as

1202
00:45:44,230 --> 00:45:42,000
ufos and nukes in general that's kind of

1203
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:44,240
an interesting thing because here in

1204
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,040
tech

1205
00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:46,960
if you talk about civilian reports or

1206
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,560
day-to-day reporting that's not

1207
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:50,960
something i've encountered really at all

1208
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,000
and i think

1209
00:45:56,470 --> 00:45:54,560
if there are sightings by nuclear

1210
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,480
facilities you know here in texas

1211
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:58,160
witnesses aren't

1212
00:46:01,670 --> 00:46:00,160
connecting the dots that they're seeing

1213
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,680
that that's a

1214
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,440
a factor if that makes sense so i

1215
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:05,200
probably have more work to do

1216
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,040
but my guess is that those types of

1217
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,000
sightings are classified so

1218
00:46:14,870 --> 00:46:12,720
despite all the years of reporting i've

1219
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:14,880
done you know here in texas and all the

1220
00:46:20,470 --> 00:46:17,920
videos and photos there is

1221
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:20,480
there is still a lack of that you know

1222
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:23,040
that compelling evidence that would

1223
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:23,760
uh

1224
00:46:28,069 --> 00:46:26,000
convince mcquest right and so i do think

1225
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:28,079
a lot of that is still classified right

1226
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:30,160
so that that's one part of it

1227
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,960
my observation then the other part of it

1228
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,760
is

1229
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:35,200
though

1230
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:38,960
that testimony is the reason that i do

1231
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,240
this it's

1232
00:46:44,309 --> 00:46:42,400
believe it or not it's not actually to

1233
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:44,319
prove if aliens are visiting or not i

1234
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:46,400
don't know that i could possibly do that

1235
00:46:51,190 --> 00:46:49,040
even if i tried my best or to convince

1236
00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:51,200
others what to think definitely want to

1237
00:46:54,829 --> 00:46:52,400
educate and

1238
00:46:58,150 --> 00:46:54,839
share as much truth as possible but

1239
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,160
ultimately it's to vindicate all those

1240
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,400
who have been told to lie

1241
00:47:05,349 --> 00:47:03,119
or uh or just not talk about their

1242
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,359
experiences and their truth so that's

1243
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:06,960
always what

1244
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,000
drove made me the most angry about the

1245
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:12,240
cover-up and so

1246
00:47:15,829 --> 00:47:13,839
yeah it's just like what you were saying

1247
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:15,839
ryan it's so poetic it's such a

1248
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:18,160
beautiful

1249
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:20,960
way to end the story in some ways for

1250
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,040
some witnesses because yes we're still

1251
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:25,440
looking our aliens

1252
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,280
visiting we don't know the answer to

1253
00:47:31,829 --> 00:47:30,160
that and there's a lot to come but this

1254
00:47:32,870 --> 00:47:31,839
is a new age

1255
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,880
where

1256
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:35,040
military members are

1257
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:37,680
being encouraged at least it seems like

1258
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,000
to actually talk about what what they've

1259
00:47:45,190 --> 00:47:42,640
seen instead of feeling shame or fear

1260
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,200
around it so i think it was beautiful

1261
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,280
that that happened

1262
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:49,520
yeah that that's i think that again

1263
00:47:53,670 --> 00:47:51,200
that's what stuck with me most exactly

1264
00:47:54,710 --> 00:47:53,680
what you said um you know the fact that

1265
00:47:56,790 --> 00:47:54,720
this guy

1266
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:56,800
was saying like i now had the courage to

1267
00:48:01,750 --> 00:47:59,760
do it and same with you know after kevin

1268
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:01,760
day gary voorhees all these guys from

1269
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:03,040
the um

1270
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:05,040
from the nimitz event the pilots alex

1271
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,839
dietrich and fravor uh came forward

1272
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:10,079
it sparked so many more service men and

1273
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,440
women to come forward and tell their

1274
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:14,079
stories which is again like we couldn't

1275
00:48:17,589 --> 00:48:15,599
ask for more than that i think we are

1276
00:48:19,829 --> 00:48:17,599
seeing a sea change in terms of the

1277
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:19,839
stigma shedding which is what the uap

1278
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:22,000
task force and report kind of wanted to

1279
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:24,880
do um for their own reasons obviously to

1280
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:27,520
report more uap that could be potential

1281
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,280
threats um we're getting there we're

1282
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:31,359
getting up to the uh the acronyms guys i

1283
00:48:37,670 --> 00:48:35,119
promise but um before we do that um yeah

1284
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,680
i just think the ufo's in nukes topic is

1285
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,079
always one of my favorites i wish it

1286
00:48:45,990 --> 00:48:42,960
didn't ever happen but it happens and it

1287
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,000
has to be discussed and if i may run i

1288
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,240
i'd like to actually point out one thing

1289
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,760
this is very important again another

1290
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:51,359
researcher i mean you know we've got to

1291
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,280
recognize robert salas

1292
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:54,960
i think a lot of researchers from over

1293
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,920
the years who have tried to bring

1294
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,280
attention to this i mentioned larry

1295
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,440
fawcett and barry greenwood and there

1296
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:00,800
are many others but again another one

1297
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,480
who really should be recognized for the

1298
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:04,559
work he's done is robert hastings who

1299
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,119
wrote the book ufos and nukes yes um

1300
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:09,839
some who keep up with lou elizondo

1301
00:49:13,829 --> 00:49:12,559
uh will note that lou elizondo and

1302
00:49:15,430 --> 00:49:13,839
actually during an interview that

1303
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,440
chrissy newton who can't be here tonight

1304
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:16,960
so i've got to try and prop her up and

1305
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:19,040
and reference her a good bit but i mean

1306
00:49:23,109 --> 00:49:21,200
chrissy did a great interview there with

1307
00:49:25,109 --> 00:49:23,119
uh louis lozano for our debrief youtube

1308
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,119
channel and in that interview that was

1309
00:49:28,950 --> 00:49:27,680
great she did a fantastic job and lou

1310
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:28,960
actually mentioned it even during the

1311
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:32,319
interview but uh you know at one point

1312
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:34,160
he had mentioned that there was a lot of

1313
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:35,920
information that we wanted to try and

1314
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:37,760
find about the nuclear incidents and he

1315
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,680
said thanks to the research that robert

1316
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:41,520
hastings did we were able to go back and

1317
00:49:45,270 --> 00:49:43,680
corroborate a lot of the data that he

1318
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,280
through the foia process was able to

1319
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:47,359
bring to our attention now look

1320
00:49:49,829 --> 00:49:48,640
ladies and gents let me just point out

1321
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:49,839
to you what's going on here we've got

1322
00:49:53,910 --> 00:49:51,280
people in government who are looking at

1323
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:53,920
ufo investigations okay and incidents

1324
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,520
happening at nuclear bases and where do

1325
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:57,359
they go to first of course get their

1326
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,880
idea for where they're going to begin

1327
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,880
their research a civilian researcher

1328
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:02,640
who's used the freedom of information

1329
00:50:05,670 --> 00:50:03,440
act

1330
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:05,680
and that process to appeal to government

1331
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,440
and to get information and to try and

1332
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:09,839
comprehensively present that and analyze

1333
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:12,880
and synthesize that as uh as hastings

1334
00:50:16,390 --> 00:50:14,480
did in his book i think there was a

1335
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:16,400
follow-up book too maybe but again

1336
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:17,839
robert hastings is a fantastic

1337
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:19,359
researcher i interviewed him a number of

1338
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:21,440
years ago and i'm so glad to see

1339
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:23,440
that in the current ufo dialogue he's

1340
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:25,440
getting his doing proper and more people

1341
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,480
should recognize

1342
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:27,920
hastings for the work he's done with

1343
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,480
this it even helped a tip lou elizondo

1344
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,760
chris bella and some of the folks who

1345
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:33,760
have continued to look at this

1346
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:35,280
you know and and

1347
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,640
it's it's all the more important that

1348
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:38,880
they do so good on you robert hastings

1349
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:40,079
if you're out there we appreciate the

1350
00:50:43,829 --> 00:50:41,920
work you've done as well my friend

1351
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:43,839
absolutely i think he was featured on

1352
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:46,880
unidentified as well so yeah i'm glad to

1353
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,800
see finally he's getting what he

1354
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:50,880
deserves and that's the gratitude and

1355
00:50:55,109 --> 00:50:52,480
thanks of many researchers like

1356
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,119
ourselves who are just you know building

1357
00:50:59,750 --> 00:50:57,760
off of the shoulders of these giants as

1358
00:51:01,670 --> 00:50:59,760
our good friend luis jimenez would say

1359
00:51:04,750 --> 00:51:01,680
but um you did mention

1360
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,760
um luis elizondo mr

1361
00:51:08,309 --> 00:51:06,400
gq

1362
00:51:10,230 --> 00:51:08,319
this was one i believe chrissy brought

1363
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:10,240
to us or was no that was me it's okay i

1364
00:51:13,190 --> 00:51:11,119
think it was

1365
00:51:14,549 --> 00:51:13,200
flip dark flip-flop

1366
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:14,559
it's okay um

1367
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:16,960
well let's go ahead and uh talk about

1368
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,599
this but i should preface this with um i

1369
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:22,319
was in london recently and it just

1370
00:51:27,750 --> 00:51:24,559
happened to coincide with a trip that mr

1371
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:27,760
elizondo had there as well so i finally

1372
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,319
got to meet him in person it was an

1373
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,319
incredible experience we walked all

1374
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:33,839
around um

1375
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,119
london we went uh to the outside of the

1376
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:39,599
ministry of defense one of us went

1377
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,319
inside take a wild guess who that was

1378
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,040
who walked right in no questions asked

1379
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:47,599
so bum bum i won't go any further with

1380
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:50,480
that but we talked all about

1381
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,040
just everything some amazing stuff um

1382
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,720
some of the conclusions

1383
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:57,359
or supposed conclusions that atip went

1384
00:52:01,990 --> 00:52:00,559
to um came to i should say uh hopefully

1385
00:52:04,870 --> 00:52:02,000
elizondo will be able to share more

1386
00:52:06,069 --> 00:52:04,880
about that soon but um one of the things

1387
00:52:08,069 --> 00:52:06,079
he told me

1388
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,079
was the reason he was there and it was

1389
00:52:12,790 --> 00:52:10,800
to be interviewed for gq magazine and he

1390
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,800
told me not to tell anyone because he

1391
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,119
knew the [\h__\h] he was gonna get for it

1392
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,599
and then it dropped and um i thought it

1393
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:18,960
was a pretty good interview so i'm gonna

1394
00:52:23,030 --> 00:52:21,440
play a small clip from that interview

1395
00:52:25,430 --> 00:52:23,040
and then we're just gonna get your guys

1396
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:25,440
thoughts on everything elizondo on the

1397
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,240
other side here um in just a moment so

1398
00:52:33,109 --> 00:52:30,800
let me go ahead and play that for you

1399
00:52:35,750 --> 00:52:33,119
so yeah you know it was about an hour

1400
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:35,760
long you can find it on youtube um a lot

1401
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:37,440
of people in the chat are very divided

1402
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,079
on mr elizondo and i completely

1403
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:42,160
understand that's what this topic is all

1404
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,559
about people are very passionate um but

1405
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,720
again um someone mentioned over a

1406
00:52:51,109 --> 00:52:48,720
million views already on that interview

1407
00:52:52,630 --> 00:52:51,119
again just getting the topic out there

1408
00:52:55,990 --> 00:52:52,640
no matter what you think about the

1409
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:56,000
threat angle or or um elizondo in

1410
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:59,440
general um hey you know i might take

1411
00:53:02,870 --> 00:53:01,200
what he says about ufos with a grain of

1412
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:02,880
salt but he did give me some good

1413
00:53:07,349 --> 00:53:05,119
marriage advice so if anything that's

1414
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:07,359
what i got from mr elizondo but yeah

1415
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:10,240
what do you guys think of everything um

1416
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,200
i mean there's there's no denying he

1417
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,839
and delong and everyone involved with

1418
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:17,440
everything that's happened in the past

1419
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:20,640
few years have changed the conversation

1420
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,079
of this topic forever um so jane let's

1421
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,160
start with you where do you stand i know

1422
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:28,880
you were very um

1423
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:31,680
careful when elizondo first came

1424
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:32,880
i remember

1425
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:34,800
a lot of your interviews and what you

1426
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,880
thought about it where do you stand now

1427
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:39,839
on elizondo and everything he's doing

1428
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,240
yeah i mean i wouldn't say like i'm on

1429
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,559
the louis under bandwagon i don't know

1430
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:47,200
that i ever will be that's i guess my

1431
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:48,880
protocol

1432
00:53:53,349 --> 00:53:51,680
you know ryan i'd fully trust you but i

1433
00:53:56,150 --> 00:53:53,359
don't know that i'll ever jump on the

1434
00:53:58,470 --> 00:53:56,160
ryan sprague bandwagon i did it and

1435
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:58,480
that's not it's nothing personal

1436
00:54:04,390 --> 00:54:01,359
so i think i'm still cautious

1437
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:04,400
uh i guess i feel more optimistic as

1438
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:06,319
time is going on

1439
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:07,599
that

1440
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:11,200
seems like he's louisando continues to

1441
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:13,760
reference the history of ufology and my

1442
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,000
fear always was that that would get

1443
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:18,640
ignored and swept under the rug

1444
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:20,960
and so i i think i'm cautiously

1445
00:54:25,829 --> 00:54:24,559
optimistic i do think that they're i

1446
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,839
don't think that everything is

1447
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:28,079
completely organic but that also doesn't

1448
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:29,400
mean it's

1449
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,200
mal-intentioned

1450
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:34,000
so i i think i think i that that's where

1451
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:36,799
i sit and then just the gq interview i i

1452
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:40,400
recall reading the the text article

1453
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:43,520
and it's just the whole um

1454
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,559
just the fact that he's in gq and

1455
00:54:50,470 --> 00:54:48,400
and everything that's happened it's i

1456
00:54:52,789 --> 00:54:50,480
feel like it's symbolic

1457
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:52,799
and then there was a lot there was a lot

1458
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,680
in the magazine interview that i think

1459
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,960
is

1460
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,880
we should keep in mind you know because

1461
00:55:03,030 --> 00:55:01,920
you know how little zondo is like he

1462
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:03,040
you know he

1463
00:55:11,190 --> 00:55:09,349
yeah nuggets or what whatever yeah um

1464
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:11,200
reese's pieces or whatever

1465
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:12,960
press yeah that's better i like that

1466
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,160
because to follow so um and so i'll just

1467
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:18,160
say so real quick cause i i just i had

1468
00:55:22,150 --> 00:55:20,079
notes because i reread it so it'd be

1469
00:55:23,829 --> 00:55:22,160
fresh but just to recall there's nothing

1470
00:55:25,430 --> 00:55:23,839
really new that he's saying but i think

1471
00:55:29,510 --> 00:55:25,440
it's interesting he's saying it now and

1472
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,520
on for gq right so for the masses right

1473
00:55:32,789 --> 00:55:31,440
i'm just reiterating that the ufos are

1474
00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,799
not

1475
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,119
from the u.s um

1476
00:55:40,150 --> 00:55:37,280
talking about radiation burns like the

1477
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:40,160
harm like the injury you know from ufos

1478
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:42,960
he reminded people about he wouldn't

1479
00:55:49,349 --> 00:55:46,400
talk about his own ufo sighting or if

1480
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:49,359
we had beings or organic matter but he

1481
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,240
did

1482
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,119
he reiterated that yes i do think we i

1483
00:55:57,190 --> 00:55:55,440
believe personally in my opinion that we

1484
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,200
have recovered craft

1485
00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:59,040
he talked about close encounters of the

1486
00:56:03,270 --> 00:56:02,079
third kind being like a great movie if

1487
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:03,280
you're gonna

1488
00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:05,040
the most realistic

1489
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,599
ufo movie which i thought was huge and

1490
00:56:12,870 --> 00:56:10,000
then he and then this part

1491
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:12,880
he talked about the royal family and how

1492
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:14,799
the royal family needs to be more

1493
00:56:20,789 --> 00:56:17,599
involved in the ufo discussion and and

1494
00:56:22,150 --> 00:56:20,799
they have curiosities about this too so

1495
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,160
i think

1496
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:24,640
just keeping that in mind you know going

1497
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:25,760
into

1498
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,839
2022 yeah i mean it's very much the same

1499
00:56:34,789 --> 00:56:31,920
narrative uh but i think i think ending

1500
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:34,799
on the royal family

1501
00:56:39,030 --> 00:56:36,960
you know and he was in london

1502
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,040
obviously you know makes sense right you

1503
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,280
know that you would talk about that but

1504
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,359
reaching out to the global community you

1505
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,520
know what what does that mean so yeah

1506
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,359
that's that's my uh

1507
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,839
i guess summary summary not really even

1508
00:56:53,430 --> 00:56:51,200
reaction but

1509
00:56:55,510 --> 00:56:53,440
no no and i'm so glad you brought up the

1510
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,520
um the international angle because i

1511
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,839
think that's a lot of what he and mr

1512
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,160
mellon are doing right now is uh

1513
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,880
reaching out to anyone throughout the

1514
00:57:08,069 --> 00:57:05,520
world who wants to get in on this and um

1515
00:57:10,630 --> 00:57:08,079
you know chat ufos try to figure this

1516
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:10,640
stuff out outside of the government um

1517
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:12,319
so yeah it makes sense that he's kind of

1518
00:57:17,430 --> 00:57:15,119
globetrotting and and making waves and

1519
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,440
shaking hands and like i said dude

1520
00:57:21,510 --> 00:57:19,760
walked right into the freaking ministry

1521
00:57:23,910 --> 00:57:21,520
of defense like i didn't even see him

1522
00:57:25,589 --> 00:57:23,920
like flash anything they just were like

1523
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,599
hey what's going on man now we know

1524
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,079
which one of you walked in

1525
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:31,119
oh damn it i gave it away i gave it away

1526
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:34,720
i'm not double 07. i promise um but yeah

1527
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,599
again the chat's pretty diverse

1528
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,559
mr elizondo but yeah no jane i i think

1529
00:57:43,510 --> 00:57:41,920
that would be cool if the royal family

1530
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:43,520
got involved like that's kind of what

1531
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,319
they are they're just like a symbol and

1532
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,720
like you know they hold no true

1533
00:57:52,230 --> 00:57:50,720
power per se but

1534
00:57:54,390 --> 00:57:52,240
look at how many people watch those

1535
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,400
freaking weddings and the birth of the

1536
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,640
children and all the weird controversial

1537
00:58:00,950 --> 00:57:58,720
stuff within the royal families you know

1538
00:58:03,670 --> 00:58:00,960
the crown is one of my favorite shows um

1539
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,680
and and i'm working at diana the musical

1540
00:58:08,309 --> 00:58:06,000
right now a musical about princess diana

1541
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,319
here on broadway so come come see me

1542
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:10,400
guys in new york i'll get you a drink

1543
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:13,440
but um it's amazing yeah it's i i could

1544
00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:15,119
see it i could see it them being good

1545
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,599
ambassadors for this topic and maybe

1546
00:58:21,430 --> 00:58:19,280
pushing some people in

1547
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:21,440
in europe to uh take it more seriously

1548
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:23,520
but i'm done micah what do you think man

1549
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,839
elizondo i know you've spoken to him on

1550
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,079
many occasions and uh have been

1551
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:30,319
following his entire trajectory since

1552
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:32,960
the very start so what do you think 2021

1553
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:34,160
what he's done and what do you hope

1554
00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,520
he'll do next

1555
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,920
well you know i've only uh spoken with

1556
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,480
lou one time at length and and

1557
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,640
thereafter the communications we've had

1558
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:44,160
you know have been mostly electronic

1559
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:47,200
email or texts and things like that

1560
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:49,599
he provided a quote for a article that

1561
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,920
i'll be dropping i hope

1562
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,680
tomorrow or early this week at

1563
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,599
thedebrief.org

1564
00:59:00,309 --> 00:58:57,440
and this has to do with the newly

1565
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,319
established office by the dod that's

1566
00:59:03,430 --> 00:59:02,079
going to be looking at uap and again lou

1567
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,440
has been very

1568
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:05,680
outspoken about that uh i'll tell you a

1569
00:59:11,109 --> 00:59:08,240
few things i like about lou elizondo

1570
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:11,119
lou elizondo when on on every occasion

1571
00:59:14,789 --> 00:59:12,960
that he and i have ever

1572
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:14,799
interacted with one another

1573
00:59:19,190 --> 00:59:17,440
he's always been incredibly respectful

1574
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:19,200
he has always answered every question

1575
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,640
that i have

1576
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,280
and i believe that based on

1577
00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:24,960
the answers he has given in the way that

1578
00:59:28,870 --> 00:59:26,960
he has given them that he has always

1579
00:59:30,789 --> 00:59:28,880
answered me truthfully

1580
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,799
and when he first came on the scene as

1581
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:32,319
is naturally the case and unfortunately

1582
00:59:35,910 --> 00:59:33,839
there's a lot of historical precedent

1583
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:35,920
for this which in fact lou himself has

1584
00:59:39,589 --> 00:59:37,680
addressed and you know the unidentified

1585
00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:39,599
program on history also addressed this

1586
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:41,040
to an extent but there's some precedent

1587
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,240
for why

1588
00:59:47,510 --> 00:59:45,119
people who followed ufo developments are

1589
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,520
hesitant to get on board and again jane

1590
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:49,680
to your point you know kudos

1591
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,160
i i'm always careful not to start fan

1592
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,079
clubs and i think a lot of people

1593
00:59:57,430 --> 00:59:55,680
consider me just a curmudgeon or a

1594
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,440
skeptic because i kind of stand off to

1595
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,040
the side while everybody else is you

1596
01:00:04,150 --> 01:00:01,280
know carrying you know the new emperor

1597
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,160
into town with his new duds

1598
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:06,240
right whether anybody can see him or not

1599
01:00:09,349 --> 01:00:07,680
i mean i tend to be that person like

1600
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:09,359
yourself jane who kind of hangs back

1601
01:00:14,230 --> 01:00:11,760
waits watches and sees how things go

1602
01:00:18,630 --> 01:00:16,549
despite having as most of the ufo

1603
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:18,640
community does

1604
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:21,200
those kinds of concerns going into

1605
01:00:25,270 --> 01:00:23,440
things i think louis lozando has proven

1606
01:00:26,150 --> 01:00:25,280
to be a person who

1607
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,160
is

1608
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:28,079
of noble character and again i don't

1609
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:29,440
want to just try and like prop him up

1610
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:31,280
and write his autobiography's biography

1611
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,160
i'm sorry i couldn't write his

1612
01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,400
autobiography could i but but again but

1613
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:36,880
the whole thing is is that i i do want

1614
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:38,720
to acknowledge a person who i think is a

1615
01:00:41,510 --> 01:00:40,720
good person with good intentions versus

1616
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:41,520
you know

1617
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,440
being a person who falls into that cult

1618
01:00:48,230 --> 01:00:45,200
of personality you know almost

1619
01:00:49,829 --> 01:00:48,240
worshipfulness and i do think frankly

1620
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,839
that there was a lot of that early on i

1621
01:00:53,109 --> 01:00:50,960
mean there were the people who were like

1622
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:53,119
this guy's just another you know problem

1623
01:00:56,789 --> 01:00:55,599
this guy's just feeding us this

1624
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:56,799
the on the other hand there was this

1625
01:01:00,309 --> 01:00:58,480
almost like just

1626
01:01:02,789 --> 01:01:00,319
you know this this kind of just hero

1627
01:01:04,470 --> 01:01:02,799
worship kind of thing going on messiah

1628
01:01:06,549 --> 01:01:04,480
sort of thing yeah and i mean i'm like

1629
01:01:08,069 --> 01:01:06,559
he's a dude he's a person he's a guy who

1630
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:08,079
wears a ball cap he drinks beer like

1631
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,359
everybody else on sunday nights and

1632
01:01:14,069 --> 01:01:11,680
watches james fox documentaries come on

1633
01:01:15,430 --> 01:01:14,079
you know he's not any different from us

1634
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:15,440
except for

1635
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,760
he happens to work you know for the

1636
01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:18,960
pentagon

1637
01:01:21,990 --> 01:01:20,640
and he happens to be in charge of a

1638
01:01:23,829 --> 01:01:22,000
portfolio

1639
01:01:25,589 --> 01:01:23,839
that included among other things you

1640
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:25,599
know aerospace threats with the advanced

1641
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:27,280
variety and those which the pentagon

1642
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,920
still says it can't identify but again

1643
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,920
i can only tell you from my own personal

1644
01:01:34,630 --> 01:01:33,440
experience and i mean

1645
01:01:36,309 --> 01:01:34,640
i don't think i would say i have

1646
01:01:38,230 --> 01:01:36,319
reservations about louis lazonda but i

1647
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,240
have reservations about the government's

1648
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:40,160
involvement in all of this which

1649
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:42,160
again lou has expressed similar

1650
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:44,400
reservations so i find myself as time

1651
01:01:50,950 --> 01:01:48,000
goes on more and more increasingly

1652
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,960
on lew's you know kind of wavelength as

1653
01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:52,480
it relates to all this especially if you

1654
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:53,760
haven't read his tweets from the other

1655
01:01:58,230 --> 01:01:55,599
day after the announcement of the new

1656
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,240
airborne airborne object identification

1657
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,480
management and synchronization group who

1658
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:02,240
has some rather strong words to express

1659
01:02:05,510 --> 01:02:04,160
about this i think that everyone should

1660
01:02:07,349 --> 01:02:05,520
take to heart what he says but again as

1661
01:02:09,589 --> 01:02:07,359
time goes on i have seen him to be not

1662
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:09,599
only a person of character but also a

1663
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:11,119
person who seems to share the

1664
01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,119
convictions of folks like you jane and

1665
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:15,839
you ryan and me and and i think that he

1666
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,960
is um a person who is as concerned about

1667
01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:20,960
what's happening in this space with

1668
01:02:25,029 --> 01:02:22,640
regard to uap and the military's

1669
01:02:26,870 --> 01:02:25,039
involvement with it as anyone else last

1670
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,880
point i promise i'll shut up

1671
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:28,240
again if we go back and we look at the

1672
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,760
actual resignation letter when he

1673
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:31,680
actually left government his resignation

1674
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:34,480
letter to then general mattis seems to

1675
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,760
spell it out he didn't feel like there

1676
01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:37,440
was enough being done

1677
01:02:42,309 --> 01:02:40,240
and so again i think that you know it's

1678
01:02:44,549 --> 01:02:42,319
important for a person to not jump to

1679
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:44,559
conclusions but maybe slowly form their

1680
01:02:49,589 --> 01:02:47,359
opinion over time as jane outlined doing

1681
01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,599
don't form fan clubs

1682
01:02:54,549 --> 01:02:52,319
form a reasoned response over time

1683
01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,559
carefully and cautiously but after doing

1684
01:02:58,230 --> 01:02:56,000
that i'm i'm more and more pressed as

1685
01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,240
time goes on more and more impressed as

1686
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,400
time goes on with louis elizondo and the

1687
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,520
work he's done and let's just

1688
01:03:04,630 --> 01:03:02,880
acknowledge i think he's done an awful

1689
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:04,640
lot for the community

1690
01:03:09,190 --> 01:03:07,359
i'd have to agree and i'll just say this

1691
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:09,200
dude smells good i don't know what

1692
01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:11,359
cologne he wears but

1693
01:03:15,829 --> 01:03:12,760
but he smells

1694
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:15,839
fantastic i'm just gonna say that i know

1695
01:03:19,829 --> 01:03:17,680
that's going to be the sound bite that

1696
01:03:21,589 --> 01:03:19,839
people are going to rip but whatever you

1697
01:03:23,349 --> 01:03:21,599
have to keep the marriage advice to

1698
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:23,359
yourself ryan

1699
01:03:28,950 --> 01:03:26,240
oh he gave me he wrote i want to know

1700
01:03:30,950 --> 01:03:28,960
12 33 i've been married 12 years today

1701
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:30,960
by the way well then you're clearly

1702
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,079
doing it right i'm going to have to come

1703
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:34,240
to you for advice oh no i'll take advice

1704
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:35,039
still

1705
01:03:38,950 --> 01:03:36,880
trust me

1706
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:38,960
well we have unidentified celebrity

1707
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:40,960
review louisa menace in the house hello

1708
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,520
all he is joining us from universal

1709
01:03:48,789 --> 01:03:46,000
studios so thanks man thanks for hopping

1710
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,799
in listening to us here um

1711
01:03:52,710 --> 01:03:50,559
yeah we've got a bunch of the ucr crew

1712
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:52,720
so thank you guys thanks for being here

1713
01:03:57,190 --> 01:03:55,359
let's move on micah i know you have

1714
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,200
limited time tonight my man so you let

1715
01:04:01,270 --> 01:03:59,440
me know i've got one more story before

1716
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:01,280
we get to gila brand amendment but it's

1717
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:03,119
up to you we can go fast forward to

1718
01:04:06,950 --> 01:04:04,960
gillibrand now or what do you think well

1719
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,960
you know i'm putting you on the spot let

1720
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:09,200
me just put it this way sprague when the

1721
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:12,880
call of duty is on the table before you

1722
01:04:17,910 --> 01:04:15,200
you know well i guess you do what duty

1723
01:04:19,589 --> 01:04:17,920
calls for and so here i am and therefore

1724
01:04:21,510 --> 01:04:19,599
i shall remain so let's just go i'm

1725
01:04:23,349 --> 01:04:21,520
going to press on through tonight

1726
01:04:25,670 --> 01:04:23,359
thank you

1727
01:04:28,069 --> 01:04:25,680
i see i knew if i did this publicly

1728
01:04:28,789 --> 01:04:28,079
you'd have to stay so i'm a manipulative

1729
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:28,799
guy

1730
01:04:32,069 --> 01:04:30,400
just like that

1731
01:04:34,549 --> 01:04:32,079
jane don't ever let me pull this on you

1732
01:04:39,670 --> 01:04:36,390
watch out for this one he's dangerous

1733
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:39,680
all right it's it's it's luis's um uh

1734
01:04:43,910 --> 01:04:41,839
anniversary happy anniversary louise

1735
01:04:45,510 --> 01:04:43,920
happy that's so cool indeed that's why

1736
01:04:47,349 --> 01:04:45,520
he's at universal that makes perfect

1737
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:47,359
sense um

1738
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:50,319
awesome all right well this one really

1739
01:04:53,589 --> 01:04:52,079
caught my attention not a lot of people

1740
01:04:56,390 --> 01:04:53,599
talked about it but this comes from our

1741
01:05:00,150 --> 01:04:56,400
good friend john greenwald over at the

1742
01:05:03,270 --> 01:05:00,160
black vault an interview he did with um

1743
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:03,280
the former cia director from 93 to 95

1744
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:05,760
james woosley and again mike i know

1745
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:07,440
you've touched on this on your show as

1746
01:05:12,470 --> 01:05:10,240
well but uh james brought up a very

1747
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:12,480
interesting ufo encounter that a friend

1748
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:15,119
of his had and all of us kind of stopped

1749
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:16,960
in our tracks when we heard about this

1750
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,280
so i'm gonna play the clip really quick

1751
01:05:23,430 --> 01:05:21,280
and then we'll talk about this and what

1752
01:05:26,789 --> 01:05:23,440
role it might play moving forward with

1753
01:05:30,390 --> 01:05:26,799
the intelligence agencies and ufos let

1754
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:30,400
me find that here it is let's go um

1755
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:31,440
there

1756
01:05:37,190 --> 01:05:35,200
was one case in which a friend of mine

1757
01:05:38,470 --> 01:05:37,200
uh

1758
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:38,480
was able

1759
01:05:45,270 --> 01:05:41,280
to have his aircraft stop

1760
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:45,280
at forty thousand feet or so and not

1761
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:46,319
continue

1762
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:47,520
uh

1763
01:05:56,390 --> 01:05:52,960
was going on i don't know does anybody

1764
01:05:59,589 --> 01:05:56,400
know we'll have to look into it

1765
01:06:02,710 --> 01:05:59,599
there have just been enough things like

1766
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:02,720
that that have occurred

1767
01:06:07,109 --> 01:06:05,920
that uh i think uh there will be

1768
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,119
a lot of

1769
01:06:11,670 --> 01:06:08,880
examination

1770
01:06:15,670 --> 01:06:11,680
of what's uh uh going on uh over the

1771
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:15,680
course of the the several months or

1772
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:18,559
maybe years but maybe months uh indigo

1773
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,760
and obviously you're talking about the

1774
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:21,920
secrecy around unidentified aerial

1775
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:24,960
phenomena and and ufos can i ask you to

1776
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:25,920
clarify

1777
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,599
were you using an analogy or were you

1778
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:29,760
being serious that you had a friend that

1779
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,680
had an aircraft of 40 000 feet that

1780
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:33,359
mysteriously stopped

1781
01:06:37,270 --> 01:06:35,520
i said it was i would

1782
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:37,280
i had

1783
01:06:39,990 --> 01:06:39,039
i have a friend who

1784
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:40,000
had

1785
01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:40,400
uh

1786
01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:41,920
[Music]

1787
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:44,240
been in an aircraft

1788
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,720
forty thousand is not crazy i mean and

1789
01:06:50,230 --> 01:06:48,240
that's just

1790
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,240
all your pilots looking at this no

1791
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,799
that's this is that's not a wild and

1792
01:06:55,589 --> 01:06:54,240
crazy idea

1793
01:06:58,829 --> 01:06:55,599
um

1794
01:07:01,109 --> 01:06:58,839
but i've talked to someone whom i

1795
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,119
respect who

1796
01:07:06,470 --> 01:07:03,359
says that there was some event in which

1797
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:06,480
a an aircraft was paused

1798
01:07:12,150 --> 01:07:09,520
uh and basically that's all

1799
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:12,160
i know about that wow i mean you're

1800
01:07:15,029 --> 01:07:13,680
you're kind of blowing my mind there i

1801
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:15,039
really didn't expect that type of a

1802
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:20,470
um

1803
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:24,079
paused airplane in midair i mean

1804
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:27,440
is this dude nuts or like what

1805
01:07:30,950 --> 01:07:29,440
yeah i was told by a friend of a friend

1806
01:07:33,190 --> 01:07:30,960
of a friend of a friend that this hat

1807
01:07:35,109 --> 01:07:33,200
but yeah what did you guys think when uh

1808
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:35,119
john brought this forward um whoever

1809
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:36,880
wants to hop in there this is a pretty

1810
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:40,079
crazy dramatic ufo encounter if true

1811
01:07:45,910 --> 01:07:42,559
jane go ahead please i hadn't i hadn't

1812
01:07:48,309 --> 01:07:45,920
heard this testimony yet so i i'm

1813
01:07:50,150 --> 01:07:48,319
i mean the first thing i think of and

1814
01:07:52,150 --> 01:07:50,160
because i don't have any dates or names

1815
01:07:52,950 --> 01:07:52,160
though because it's so fuzzy but there

1816
01:07:54,390 --> 01:07:52,960
are

1817
01:07:55,589 --> 01:07:54,400
some good

1818
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:55,599
pilot

1819
01:07:59,910 --> 01:07:57,839
sightings and encounters and those are

1820
01:08:01,109 --> 01:07:59,920
some of the most mind-blowing right

1821
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:01,119
where you have

1822
01:08:06,390 --> 01:08:03,359
a plane that um

1823
01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:06,400
can't be found afterward right or things

1824
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:08,079
like this it's what

1825
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,760
i wish i could think of a particu

1826
01:08:13,270 --> 01:08:11,680
there's a particular case

1827
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:13,280
i can't even i don't want to say it's

1828
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:15,359
like australia but it's probably china

1829
01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,440
or something for all i know and

1830
01:08:21,910 --> 01:08:20,319
um where there was a plane

1831
01:08:23,510 --> 01:08:21,920
and there was

1832
01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:23,520
i guess we could guess that there might

1833
01:08:28,550 --> 01:08:26,080
have been um

1834
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,560
like a i want to say like a flying disc

1835
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:31,279
or something was like atta sucked up to

1836
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:34,000
it or like seen attached to it

1837
01:08:37,349 --> 01:08:34,880
um

1838
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:37,359
by one witness and then there was you

1839
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,759
know the separate um

1840
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:41,759
but yeah i'm gonna have to that's a

1841
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,080
horrible rendition of that case i'm

1842
01:08:48,870 --> 01:08:46,400
gonna have to look it up but that's what

1843
01:08:50,070 --> 01:08:48,880
it makes me think of you know what would

1844
01:08:53,189 --> 01:08:50,080
what would

1845
01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:53,199
halt a plane um

1846
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:56,719
something above it or below it that's

1847
01:09:01,749 --> 01:08:59,440
the time warp bubble like louis elizondo

1848
01:09:03,990 --> 01:09:01,759
talks about right where you know objects

1849
01:09:05,669 --> 01:09:04,000
aren't flying necessarily they're moving

1850
01:09:10,390 --> 01:09:05,679
things around them

1851
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:10,400
so did this plane get caught up in

1852
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,319
some other ufo's trap travel you know uh

1853
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:15,920
path

1854
01:09:21,269 --> 01:09:16,960
bizarre

1855
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:21,279
i i'm so glad you mentioned that i i

1856
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,159
don't know

1857
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,239
if it was the second or third episode of

1858
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,799
somewhere in the skies very early uh

1859
01:09:32,550 --> 01:09:29,679
micah you were my guest and um

1860
01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:32,560
the second yes and um we talked in depth

1861
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,759
about the valentich case in australia i

1862
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,719
don't know if that's the one you're

1863
01:09:40,550 --> 01:09:38,560
thinking that's it

1864
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:40,560
micah actually didn't you speak to the

1865
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:42,640
girlfriend of the pilot that that

1866
01:09:46,630 --> 01:09:44,960
occurred to i sure did yeah she and i

1867
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:46,640
remain in touch

1868
01:09:49,669 --> 01:09:48,080
to some extent these days you know

1869
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:49,679
rhonda rushton i hope i'll always be in

1870
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,679
touch with ronda had been

1871
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:53,520
uh the girlfriend of the pilot who went

1872
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,239
missing and i suspect i know the the um

1873
01:10:00,630 --> 01:09:58,000
the description that you're offering of

1874
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,640
a tangent observation about that case

1875
01:10:05,189 --> 01:10:02,560
jane because there had been an

1876
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:05,199
independent siding uh where someone said

1877
01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:06,640
that they saw a flying saucer that

1878
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:08,400
appeared to have like a plane stuck to

1879
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:11,600
it yes i think that's yes correct

1880
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,560
okay

1881
01:10:16,709 --> 01:10:14,880
and i think it was that case but it was

1882
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:16,719
it was like an incident

1883
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:19,840
it wasn't in all the reports of that

1884
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:23,199
case i remember i i found that just upon

1885
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:25,040
digging and i didn't know how verified

1886
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:28,080
that was trying to look for it now oh

1887
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:28,800
yeah

1888
01:10:32,870 --> 01:10:31,280
there's this um oh sorry it's playing

1889
01:10:34,229 --> 01:10:32,880
something on my phone

1890
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,239
i was trying to show you there's this

1891
01:10:38,870 --> 01:10:36,159
like kind of crappy

1892
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,880
um i don't know i can't see it on my

1893
01:10:42,229 --> 01:10:40,080
phone

1894
01:10:45,910 --> 01:10:42,239
oh you can't see it it's like an

1895
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,920
artist's rendition of just that yes and

1896
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,000
so i i don't know you have these

1897
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:50,320
separate accounts and

1898
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:53,360
wilds just adds confusion into the fire

1899
01:10:57,510 --> 01:10:56,239
i guess certainly yes i mean you know as

1900
01:10:58,870 --> 01:10:57,520
far as the pilot

1901
01:11:00,870 --> 01:10:58,880
angle on all this and what's being

1902
01:11:02,470 --> 01:11:00,880
described you know by the former cia

1903
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,480
director i mean in that interview with

1904
01:11:06,470 --> 01:11:04,800
john greenwald jr again just

1905
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:06,480
truly an icon in this field in my

1906
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,159
opinion and one of my favorite guys but

1907
01:11:12,310 --> 01:11:09,760
uh john

1908
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,320
i think was as gobsmacked by that

1909
01:11:16,709 --> 01:11:14,719
statement as any of us were

1910
01:11:18,390 --> 01:11:16,719
i don't think he'd expected that now

1911
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:18,400
i'll just mention that you know many

1912
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,239
years ago i was on coast to coast am

1913
01:11:25,030 --> 01:11:23,040
late one night and this pilot no no i'm

1914
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:25,040
sorry i wasn't on no no no this was not

1915
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:26,560
while i was on

1916
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:28,800
i was listening to the show and leslie

1917
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,040
kane had been the guest yeah

1918
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:33,600
i was on coast to coast recently uh and

1919
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:35,840
and it seems that uh in fact actually

1920
01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:37,600
time before last that i was on the show

1921
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:40,159
john and i were both on that night just

1922
01:11:43,350 --> 01:11:41,760
not together they had john first and

1923
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,360
then me and i got up early so i could

1924
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:44,880
listen to john

1925
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:46,239
and then i don't know if john stayed up

1926
01:11:49,350 --> 01:11:47,840
late to listen to me but i mean i was i

1927
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:49,360
i of course i'm always checking out the

1928
01:11:54,470 --> 01:11:52,960
entire thing but now on this uh incident

1929
01:11:55,430 --> 01:11:54,480
or this instance it was almost an

1930
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:55,440
incident

1931
01:11:59,750 --> 01:11:57,920
um leslie kane had been a guest on coast

1932
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:59,760
coast this particular evening and this

1933
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:01,040
was years ago i think around the time

1934
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,560
that her book you know ufos you know

1935
01:12:05,669 --> 01:12:04,080
pilots generals and government officials

1936
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,679
go on the record and i was really

1937
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,679
interested in hearing what leslie had to

1938
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:09,199
say and so

1939
01:12:13,590 --> 01:12:10,719
i tuned in and listened and there was

1940
01:12:15,669 --> 01:12:13,600
this pilot who called in from coos bay

1941
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,679
who told this story about how in world

1942
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,120
war ii

1943
01:12:20,950 --> 01:12:18,960
that a pilot uh

1944
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,960
he'd been actually part of a group that

1945
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:22,480
was flying and this was i guess over

1946
01:12:25,910 --> 01:12:24,640
burma india i believe and he says that

1947
01:12:27,830 --> 01:12:25,920
they all

1948
01:12:29,830 --> 01:12:27,840
there was you know the primary

1949
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:29,840
aircraft and then the wing pilots and

1950
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,040
everything and that they flew through

1951
01:12:34,390 --> 01:12:32,880
this kind of cloud formation and when

1952
01:12:38,790 --> 01:12:34,400
they came out of the cloud one of their

1953
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:41,510
yeah and he said that so we returned

1954
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,320
back to base and he said that

1955
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:46,239
we assumed that there had been a fueling

1956
01:12:51,030 --> 01:12:47,920
problem and that the aircraft must have

1957
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:51,040
just lost fuel and had turned back

1958
01:12:53,990 --> 01:12:52,400
but we got back to base and that

1959
01:12:55,910 --> 01:12:54,000
aircraft had not gone back and had not

1960
01:12:58,310 --> 01:12:55,920
arrived before us it was genuinely

1961
01:13:00,550 --> 01:12:58,320
missing so at this point they actually

1962
01:13:01,910 --> 01:13:00,560
dispatched a research or a rescue crew

1963
01:13:03,669 --> 01:13:01,920
to go out there and try and find the

1964
01:13:05,030 --> 01:13:03,679
area where the plane would have gone

1965
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:05,040
down

1966
01:13:09,030 --> 01:13:06,800
never any sign of it

1967
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:09,040
and uh so this story i mean i still have

1968
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:10,320
a recording somewhere because i've been

1969
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,840
monitoring the airwaves that night and i

1970
01:13:14,229 --> 01:13:12,960
thought this was so interesting i

1971
01:13:15,590 --> 01:13:14,239
started recording it and everything and

1972
01:13:16,790 --> 01:13:15,600
i actually still have that some place

1973
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:16,800
and i always thought that was a very

1974
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,480
fascinating story

1975
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,920
um the valentine's case that you

1976
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,440
described there jane you know again you

1977
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,199
know frederick valentich was a pilot he

1978
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,520
was a young pilot only 21 or 22 years

1979
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:27,360
old and he was logging his hours had a

1980
01:13:32,070 --> 01:13:29,760
had a you know test coming up

1981
01:13:34,630 --> 01:13:32,080
that night he flew south over the bass

1982
01:13:36,870 --> 01:13:34,640
strait toward king island and um never

1983
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:36,880
came back but while he was flying toward

1984
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:38,560
king island he was in

1985
01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,239
contact with melbourne air traffic

1986
01:13:43,990 --> 01:13:42,080
control and said that there was an

1987
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:44,000
object flying over him

1988
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:45,520
and he just said that the object was

1989
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:47,040
kind of like orbiting him and that he

1990
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:48,159
was orbiting it but that it was

1991
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,920
producing a green light

1992
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:51,760
and the last thing that valentich said

1993
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,360
was that you know the object is

1994
01:13:56,630 --> 01:13:54,880
melbourne it's hovering directly above

1995
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,640
me it's hovering in it's not an aircraft

1996
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:58,880
and then there was about 14 seconds of

1997
01:14:03,910 --> 01:14:00,800
metallic scraping sound and then they

1998
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:03,920
lost all con uh contact with valentich

1999
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:04,800
um

2000
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:06,000
rhonda rushton who had been his

2001
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:07,760
girlfriend at the time uh

2002
01:14:10,390 --> 01:14:09,120
i was able to get in touch with her

2003
01:14:11,830 --> 01:14:10,400
because the listener of my program

2004
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,840
worked with her and said rhonda would be

2005
01:14:14,950 --> 01:14:13,679
willing to talk to you and talk about a

2006
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,960
dear person

2007
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,480
and she gave me a lot of information

2008
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:18,640
that had not been published uh i'll

2009
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:20,000
specifically say in the skeptical

2010
01:14:23,990 --> 01:14:22,400
literature which tries to argue that he

2011
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:24,000
either just crashed into the ocean or

2012
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:25,440
that he had a girlfriend on the other

2013
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,760
island and was sneaking out i can assure

2014
01:14:31,110 --> 01:14:29,360
you it wasn't the latter and and as far

2015
01:14:32,790 --> 01:14:31,120
as what an excuse

2016
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:32,800
well i mean you know and i asked rhonda

2017
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:34,400
i said did any of the skeptics who made

2018
01:14:37,750 --> 01:14:36,719
these assertions talk to you at all not

2019
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:37,760
one

2020
01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:41,920
whatever

2021
01:14:47,910 --> 01:14:44,080
now she was uh interviewed by the the

2022
01:14:50,070 --> 01:14:47,920
australian aviation authority and um

2023
01:14:52,310 --> 01:14:50,080
she had a very interesting remembrance

2024
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:52,320
of what happened during that time but

2025
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,600
again coming back to what woolsey

2026
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,199
describes right there in that audio you

2027
01:14:59,590 --> 01:14:57,360
know i mean an aircraft being paused by

2028
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:59,600
ufo one more incident comes to mind and

2029
01:15:04,310 --> 01:15:01,360
this is of course is the famous larry

2030
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:04,320
coin encounter from 1973 where coin

2031
01:15:07,270 --> 01:15:05,679
is co-pilot and then the two other

2032
01:15:08,630 --> 01:15:07,280
servicemen who are coming back from a

2033
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,640
medical exam they're on their way i

2034
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:10,800
think to mansfield ohio they're flying a

2035
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:12,400
huey helicopter and they see this red

2036
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:14,480
light coming in from the uh i believe it

2037
01:15:18,470 --> 01:15:16,800
would have been the east i think

2038
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,480
and as this thing's approaching they

2039
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:20,880
think there's an aircraft that is on

2040
01:15:23,910 --> 01:15:22,719
course for a head-on collision with them

2041
01:15:25,030 --> 01:15:23,920
and when this thing gets in front of

2042
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:25,040
them

2043
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:26,560
i want to be very careful how i describe

2044
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:28,239
this because it's essentially a tic tac

2045
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:29,679
but they also said that there was a dome

2046
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:32,800
like kind of an a protrusion on the top

2047
01:15:36,470 --> 01:15:34,640
so it wasn't like a tic tac quite

2048
01:15:38,310 --> 01:15:36,480
exactly but it was an oblong shaped

2049
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:38,320
object with some sort of a dome on top

2050
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:39,840
and that as they're observing this thing

2051
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:41,520
it hovers

2052
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:42,960
and then it goes

2053
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:44,880
and it takes off to the west and it

2054
01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:47,120
vanishes right after kind of past this

2055
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,800
this green light passes through and it

2056
01:15:52,630 --> 01:15:50,480
kind of scans them they say in the

2057
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,640
cockpit at this point they look at their

2058
01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:54,000
altimeter and they realize that their

2059
01:15:57,350 --> 01:15:55,440
altitude is not what it should have been

2060
01:15:59,189 --> 01:15:57,360
it's like they were moved by the object

2061
01:16:02,149 --> 01:15:59,199
like when they were in close proximity

2062
01:16:03,990 --> 01:16:02,159
to this ufo coin and his company's

2063
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,000
perception of the event was that they

2064
01:16:08,870 --> 01:16:06,080
had been moved by it and actually that

2065
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:08,880
their altitude had raised so

2066
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,199
it is interesting that there are pilots

2067
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,520
who describe these kinds of effects

2068
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:15,600
far more frequent and far less often

2069
01:16:18,950 --> 01:16:16,800
reported are just general

2070
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,960
electromagnetic effects instrumental

2071
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:20,960
disturbance even instrumental failure

2072
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,679
coinciding with uh near

2073
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:25,840
mid-air collisions or close observations

2074
01:16:29,669 --> 01:16:28,239
of uap by pilots and i've got to say

2075
01:16:31,750 --> 01:16:29,679
that ted rowe and the narcap

2076
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,760
organization do an incredible job having

2077
01:16:35,350 --> 01:16:33,760
logged those over the years

2078
01:16:36,630 --> 01:16:35,360
there's a lot of data on that and i

2079
01:16:38,630 --> 01:16:36,640
think that it really deserves more

2080
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:38,640
attention and i'm glad that right now in

2081
01:16:41,910 --> 01:16:40,080
the preliminary assessment that was

2082
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:41,920
delivered to the odni back in june one

2083
01:16:46,550 --> 01:16:44,880
of the two main points really as far as

2084
01:16:47,350 --> 01:16:46,560
all the takeaways from that document one

2085
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:47,360
being

2086
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:49,040
you know uap represent a challenge to

2087
01:16:51,510 --> 01:16:50,400
national security but the other being

2088
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:51,520
that they

2089
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:53,199
whether directly or indirectly they

2090
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:54,960
represent a threat to aviation both

2091
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:56,960
military and civilian

2092
01:17:00,790 --> 01:16:59,280
if as you know the former cia director

2093
01:17:03,189 --> 01:17:00,800
told john greenwald

2094
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:03,199
or if as we observe in the valentich

2095
01:17:07,430 --> 01:17:05,520
incident or if as we deserve observe in

2096
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,440
cases like that from world war ii you

2097
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:09,120
know in a disappearing flight if these

2098
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:10,719
have to do with uap

2099
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:11,679
there's definitely something that

2100
01:17:15,350 --> 01:17:13,600
warrants attention

2101
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:15,360
and i think the valentine's case i was

2102
01:17:19,350 --> 01:17:17,520
just refreshing my memory it looks like

2103
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:19,360
the australian government looked into

2104
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:22,080
that and even and confirmed that he

2105
01:17:28,390 --> 01:17:25,199
wasn't fake it wasn't a fake um

2106
01:17:29,910 --> 01:17:28,400
crash and then to just to reiterate so

2107
01:17:32,550 --> 01:17:29,920
again i don't know how verified it was

2108
01:17:35,350 --> 01:17:32,560
it was an unknown farmer is who

2109
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:35,360
purportedly saw a flying saucer hovering

2110
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,600
with a cessna aircraft attached to it

2111
01:17:41,189 --> 01:17:39,360
and they even wrote down like the plane

2112
01:17:44,950 --> 01:17:41,199
registration number

2113
01:17:47,030 --> 01:17:44,960
um and apparently it like matched up to

2114
01:17:49,110 --> 01:17:47,040
things now i mean how

2115
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:49,120
maybe that was after the fact you know

2116
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,440
all of this somehow you know

2117
01:17:55,910 --> 01:17:53,840
worked out but yeah just

2118
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:55,920
wild that's interesting yeah

2119
01:18:00,149 --> 01:17:58,080
um yeah and you know bringing from

2120
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,159
valentich up until today

2121
01:18:05,910 --> 01:18:02,719
um i did an episode not too long ago

2122
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:05,920
about the 1952 invasion um you know we

2123
01:18:11,669 --> 01:18:08,640
had the wave in washington um but all

2124
01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:11,679
around uh america primarily in

2125
01:18:16,709 --> 01:18:14,080
california there were ufos like crazy

2126
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:16,719
and texas yes thanks chain i

2127
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:18,080
that's why you're here that's why you're

2128
01:18:22,310 --> 01:18:19,840
here um

2129
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:22,320
that uh pilots were having close

2130
01:18:26,470 --> 01:18:24,080
encounters with these things even like

2131
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,480
mother ships and um

2132
01:18:30,709 --> 01:18:29,120
that brought us up until today and

2133
01:18:33,270 --> 01:18:30,719
something that mike has covered a lot at

2134
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:33,280
the debrief is this uh conference that

2135
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,719
happened with the faa and um you know

2136
01:18:41,669 --> 01:18:38,640
civilian aviation

2137
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:41,679
again the report was talking just about

2138
01:18:47,430 --> 01:18:44,320
military ufo encounters with pilots but

2139
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:47,440
now we're seeing that like the faa is

2140
01:18:51,990 --> 01:18:49,280
getting involved am i right micah in

2141
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,000
that assessment or yeah what are they

2142
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,560
doing now do they have to report now too

2143
01:18:58,310 --> 01:18:56,400
because i know they weren't before yeah

2144
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:58,320
the faa had uh

2145
01:19:02,790 --> 01:19:00,239
for a long time said that they didn't

2146
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,800
you know investigate ufo sightings and

2147
01:19:06,149 --> 01:19:04,480
didn't log information about those in

2148
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:06,159
fact actually if you go to their website

2149
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,520
and there was an article i did about

2150
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:09,840
this earlier this year at the debrief

2151
01:19:16,149 --> 01:19:13,199
uh the uh the faa officially said if you

2152
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:16,159
see a ufo you should contact bigelow

2153
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:18,719
advanced aerospace studies right or you

2154
01:19:22,470 --> 01:19:19,679
should

2155
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:22,480
contact local law enforcement um

2156
01:19:25,830 --> 01:19:24,000
but they say we're not really interested

2157
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,840
in ufo sightings now when the

2158
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:27,440
preliminary assessment was delivered to

2159
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:29,760
the odni back in june

2160
01:19:34,070 --> 01:19:32,080
it stated that the faa does supply some

2161
01:19:35,830 --> 01:19:34,080
information to the uap task force and so

2162
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,840
i was very interested in what exactly

2163
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:37,520
that meant and so i reached out to the

2164
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,520
faa and i followed up with them and i

2165
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:42,320
and i kept on the faa for many weeks and

2166
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:44,000
then they finally issued a statement to

2167
01:19:45,669 --> 01:19:44,719
me

2168
01:19:47,910 --> 01:19:45,679
after going through about three

2169
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:47,920
different uh spokespeople and they said

2170
01:19:53,030 --> 01:19:50,880
yes the faa does collect information on

2171
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:53,040
and they still use the term unidentified

2172
01:19:57,189 --> 01:19:55,120
flying objects mind you which is not

2173
01:19:59,750 --> 01:19:57,199
unusual because i mean i know that uap

2174
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:59,760
is more popular these days but really my

2175
01:20:03,310 --> 01:20:01,760
you know sense on all that is that

2176
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,320
they're essentially just trying to

2177
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,000
destigmatize the idea of ufos or little

2178
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:08,480
green men by saying uap

2179
01:20:12,870 --> 01:20:10,320
there seems to be this notion that that

2180
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,880
somehow legitimizes the conversation and

2181
01:20:16,310 --> 01:20:14,000
that's why i think a lot of people

2182
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:16,320
prefer to use that but in my opinion as

2183
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:18,480
far as i'm concerned i have no

2184
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,960
preference ufo's fine the only issue i

2185
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:22,560
would take with that is that i'm not

2186
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,080
sure these objects are flying in any

2187
01:20:28,310 --> 01:20:26,560
sense of aerodynamic actual flight i

2188
01:20:30,390 --> 01:20:28,320
think that really a better way to

2189
01:20:32,229 --> 01:20:30,400
describe what they do is they move

2190
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:32,239
through our atmosphere and they may be

2191
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:33,520
able to move through space and move

2192
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:35,120
through water just as easily and hence

2193
01:20:39,189 --> 01:20:37,679
that term trans medium that we have seen

2194
01:20:40,149 --> 01:20:39,199
introduced recently and of course which

2195
01:20:41,510 --> 01:20:40,159
i think was

2196
01:20:43,110 --> 01:20:41,520
really brought to a

2197
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:43,120
large audience by tim mcmillan's

2198
01:20:46,709 --> 01:20:44,719
reporting there at the debrief right on

2199
01:20:47,590 --> 01:20:46,719
the day of our launch but all of that

2200
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:47,600
said

2201
01:20:52,950 --> 01:20:50,639
again from my own part i think that uh

2202
01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:52,960
you know the faa and them being reticent

2203
01:20:57,110 --> 01:20:54,800
to acknowledge that they

2204
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:57,120
investigate this phenomena when in fact

2205
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:58,960
they do it's understandable the air

2206
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:01,920
force has done the same thing no agency

2207
01:21:05,350 --> 01:21:03,600
in government wants to have to be

2208
01:21:07,030 --> 01:21:05,360
involved in this but the faa certainly

2209
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:07,040
does look at uap and what they confirmed

2210
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:08,639
to me was that they not only do but

2211
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:10,159
again when a pilot observes something

2212
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:11,760
that can be corroborated by instrumental

2213
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:13,920
data namely radar and thereby there's

2214
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:16,159
some sort of a instrumental cooperation

2215
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,760
for us sighting

2216
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:20,000
that data is supplied to the uap task

2217
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,600
force and presumably will also be

2218
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:24,560
supplied to its successor the aoi msg or

2219
01:21:31,270 --> 01:21:25,520
the

2220
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:33,430
great transition my man you have brought

2221
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:35,920
us up to the most recent news we're

2222
01:21:41,030 --> 01:21:38,320
going to talk about in 2021 before we do

2223
01:21:43,110 --> 01:21:41,040
that aaron disarro with a 20 super chat

2224
01:21:44,709 --> 01:21:43,120
thank you man thanks for the fun sunday

2225
01:21:47,189 --> 01:21:44,719
evening cheaper than going to a movie

2226
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:47,199
what a deal i couldn't agree more man

2227
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,560
thank you i really appreciate that um

2228
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:52,400
wow everyone's been so supportive

2229
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,719
tonight i really appreciate all of you

2230
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:56,400
guys watching on your sunday night and

2231
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:58,639
to our two amazing co-hosts for joining

2232
01:22:03,510 --> 01:22:00,880
us if you are just joining us we have

2233
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:03,520
ufo jane and we have micah hanks here

2234
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:05,760
with us and we are covering our favorite

2235
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,280
stories from 2021 uh in terms of ufos

2236
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:11,280
and obviously this is going to be one of

2237
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:13,520
the favorites i think of all three of us

2238
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:16,480
and many of you out there and that is

2239
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,800
the gillibrand amendment

2240
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:21,360
and the dod group we've got kind of a

2241
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:23,520
godzilla verse mothra thing going on

2242
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:25,920
here um so i'm gonna play another quick

2243
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:28,800
video our last video i promise and then

2244
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:31,679
we're gonna dive deep to wrap things up

2245
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:34,560
here guys give me one sec here we go

2246
01:22:37,830 --> 01:22:35,760
there's certainly something being

2247
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:37,840
detected on capitol hill where some

2248
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:40,320
lawmakers are taking uap reports

2249
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:42,800
seriously a bipartisan amendment

2250
01:22:46,870 --> 01:22:44,560
proposed in the national defense

2251
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,880
authorization act would create a

2252
01:22:51,430 --> 01:22:48,960
permanent office to collect and

2253
01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:51,440
investigate data on the phenomenon

2254
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:53,760
across the military intelligence and

2255
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:55,840
civilian communities it would also

2256
01:23:00,709 --> 01:22:58,239
require the pentagon to provide regular

2257
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,719
reports to congress and more importantly

2258
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:03,360
to the public

2259
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,280
particularly when it comes to sightings

2260
01:23:10,149 --> 01:23:08,000
reported by navy and air force pilots

2261
01:23:12,149 --> 01:23:10,159
new york senator kirsten gillibrand

2262
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:12,159
co-sponsored that amendment with fellow

2263
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:13,920
senate intelligence committee member

2264
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,719
marco rubio among others she says this

2265
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,040
is urgent regardless of the origins of

2266
01:23:24,149 --> 01:23:22,080
uap and recently told politico quote if

2267
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,159
it is technologically possessed by

2268
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:26,719
adversaries or any other entity we need

2269
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,679
to know

2270
01:23:34,229 --> 01:23:29,600
burying our heads in the sand is neither

2271
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:34,239
a strategy nor an acceptable approach

2272
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,880
so yeah that's kind of just a tease of

2273
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:38,960
the gillibrand amendment which i think

2274
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,440
is what a lot of us were really excited

2275
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:43,520
about and then what happens on

2276
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:46,400
thanksgiving of all days or maybe the

2277
01:23:52,470 --> 01:23:49,360
night before i don't recall um exactly

2278
01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:52,480
but we get this news that and we should

2279
01:23:56,149 --> 01:23:54,480
have been expecting this micah you

2280
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:56,159
brought this up recently a lot of people

2281
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,960
have and i was one of the first to uh

2282
01:24:03,110 --> 01:24:00,320
jump all over this and be like what is

2283
01:24:05,189 --> 01:24:03,120
this bs the dod is creating something to

2284
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:05,199
go against a gillibrand amendment i

2285
01:24:08,629 --> 01:24:06,639
can't believe it

2286
01:24:10,310 --> 01:24:08,639
guys they were saying this all along

2287
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:10,320
that something was going to come after

2288
01:24:15,110 --> 01:24:13,199
the uap task force according to the dod

2289
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:15,120
so i have to admit that i was one of

2290
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:17,520
those people who um got a little too

2291
01:24:22,310 --> 01:24:20,080
heated and passionate at first but yeah

2292
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:22,320
let's go there what is the gillibrand

2293
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,800
amendment why were people so excited

2294
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,600
about it and why did people have such

2295
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:30,560
vitro for this dod thing after um

2296
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:33,120
whoever wants to take that first

2297
01:24:38,149 --> 01:24:35,440
uh jane

2298
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:38,159
yeah no yeah no yeah um please do the

2299
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:40,719
gila brand amendment breakdown

2300
01:24:44,709 --> 01:24:42,000
and then i want your take on the other

2301
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:44,719
side so um wish me luck so the brand

2302
01:24:47,990 --> 01:24:46,639
amendment uh you know is a proposed

2303
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:48,000
amendment to the national defense

2304
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:51,360
authorization act for fiscal year 2022

2305
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,960
in the senate version

2306
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:54,880
now that is currently stalled uh and

2307
01:24:58,550 --> 01:24:56,400
there are a number of reasons why but

2308
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:58,560
really kind of key if we had to identify

2309
01:25:03,669 --> 01:25:01,120
one primary issue it is that

2310
01:25:06,070 --> 01:25:03,679
florida senator marco rubio

2311
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:06,080
has basically blocked passage of the

2312
01:25:09,990 --> 01:25:08,320
bill until there is an additional

2313
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:10,000
amendment provided

2314
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:12,880
with regard to some controversies

2315
01:25:16,870 --> 01:25:15,120
allegations of human rights uh issues

2316
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:16,880
and even possible genocide occurring in

2317
01:25:21,350 --> 01:25:18,960
a region in china that's a very very

2318
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,360
very you know short answer for what's

2319
01:25:24,550 --> 01:25:23,440
going on here with this

2320
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,560
now of course that has nothing to do

2321
01:25:29,910 --> 01:25:26,800
with uap but i i mentioned that because

2322
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,920
rubio also co-sponsored another proposed

2323
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:31,520
amendment and if you go over to the

2324
01:25:35,189 --> 01:25:32,880
senate's website and look at the

2325
01:25:37,350 --> 01:25:35,199
amendment checkers uh spread or the

2326
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,360
amendment tracker i guess actually a

2327
01:25:40,470 --> 01:25:39,120
spreadsheet i mean there are so many

2328
01:25:42,950 --> 01:25:40,480
amendments i understand that there were

2329
01:25:44,870 --> 01:25:42,960
i think 25 that that the

2330
01:25:46,709 --> 01:25:44,880
uh senate had whittled down in their

2331
01:25:48,870 --> 01:25:46,719
version of this bill that they were

2332
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:48,880
going to try and vote on until rubio had

2333
01:25:51,990 --> 01:25:50,080
said you know we can't move forward

2334
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:52,000
until we get agreement on this bill as

2335
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,880
well

2336
01:25:57,030 --> 01:25:54,960
and that's been essentially blocked

2337
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,040
both by republicans and democrats not to

2338
01:25:59,990 --> 01:25:58,639
get into politics but i think that's an

2339
01:26:01,430 --> 01:26:00,000
important thing to understand as we look

2340
01:26:02,310 --> 01:26:01,440
at really what we're talking about here

2341
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:02,320
because

2342
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:04,159
as far as this gillibrand rubio

2343
01:26:08,470 --> 01:26:05,840
amendment as it has been referred to

2344
01:26:10,629 --> 01:26:08,480
since rubio also co-sponsored it we're

2345
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:10,639
talking about an amendment a proposed

2346
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:11,679
amendment

2347
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:13,440
that would seek to establish or to

2348
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,320
provide uh provisions that if passed

2349
01:26:21,030 --> 01:26:18,400
into law would direct

2350
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:21,040
the dod to establish an anomaly

2351
01:26:25,669 --> 01:26:23,360
surveillance and resolution office as

2352
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:25,679
gillibrand's amendment terms it

2353
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:27,120
as you can imagine this although it

2354
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:29,040
doesn't say anything about uap it is an

2355
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:31,120
office that would look at uap a few

2356
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:32,719
things that specifically are outlined in

2357
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:35,360
this rather elaborately worded amendment

2358
01:26:39,350 --> 01:26:36,560
proposal

2359
01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:39,360
are the not only uh line organizations

2360
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:41,120
that it calls for that would be able to

2361
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,120
carry out rapid response uap

2362
01:26:46,470 --> 01:26:45,199
investigations field investigations of

2363
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:46,480
uap

2364
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,120
incidents occurring around nuclear bases

2365
01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:53,520
something we touched on earlier um there

2366
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,199
is an emphasis on the trans-medium

2367
01:26:59,030 --> 01:26:57,120
aspect of all this not just looking at

2368
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,040
aerial phenomena but i mean the the wide

2369
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:01,280
range of different unidentified

2370
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:05,840
phenomena that occur land sea air space

2371
01:27:08,470 --> 01:27:06,960
you know

2372
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:08,480
and then of course also provisions and

2373
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,719
this is key of importance in terms of

2374
01:27:14,870 --> 01:27:12,320
transparency

2375
01:27:16,629 --> 01:27:14,880
reporting at least in terms of an annual

2376
01:27:19,110 --> 01:27:16,639
report to congress

2377
01:27:19,990 --> 01:27:19,120
semi-annual briefings and then also

2378
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,000
uh

2379
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,400
also provisions for certain unclassified

2380
01:27:27,030 --> 01:27:24,159
information to be provided that thereby

2381
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:27,040
may also be uh presented to the public

2382
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:28,880
in unclassified reports similar to what

2383
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,560
we saw in june

2384
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,040
with the report delivered to the odni

2385
01:27:37,350 --> 01:27:35,520
all of that said this was only a

2386
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:37,360
proposed amendment we wouldn't know if

2387
01:27:41,189 --> 01:27:39,199
this was going to be passed into law or

2388
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:41,199
not for some time and now we may not

2389
01:27:44,709 --> 01:27:43,120
know until 2022 because the bill has

2390
01:27:46,229 --> 01:27:44,719
been stalled in the senate and my

2391
01:27:47,669 --> 01:27:46,239
understanding is that plan b is

2392
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,679
essentially going to take this bill and

2393
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,679
try and send this back to the house

2394
01:27:53,110 --> 01:27:51,280
and then basically get a house version

2395
01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:53,120
that the senate will vote on now

2396
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,520
fortunately i'll mention also that in

2397
01:27:59,350 --> 01:27:57,199
the house version of the bill there was

2398
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,360
a similar amendment and uh this

2399
01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:01,520
amendment had also proposed this known

2400
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:04,080
as the galago amendment or this proposed

2401
01:28:08,709 --> 01:28:05,679
by senator from

2402
01:28:10,149 --> 01:28:08,719
um uh arizona i believe galago or was it

2403
01:28:12,390 --> 01:28:10,159
new mexico

2404
01:28:13,830 --> 01:28:12,400
oh shoot i don't remember i can i can

2405
01:28:15,189 --> 01:28:13,840
double check and probably find out here

2406
01:28:17,030 --> 01:28:15,199
it's important to get the facts ladies

2407
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,040
and gentlemen only the facts right but

2408
01:28:20,870 --> 01:28:19,199
but this uh this aspect in the house

2409
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:20,880
version of the bill

2410
01:28:24,870 --> 01:28:23,360
uh also yes i'm sorry yes uh let's see

2411
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,880
oh no that's not it actually i'll find

2412
01:28:28,390 --> 01:28:26,880
it here in a moment but uh the galago

2413
01:28:30,550 --> 01:28:28,400
version appeared in the house and

2414
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:30,560
actually had been the first version that

2415
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:33,679
initially called for a office of uap

2416
01:28:38,550 --> 01:28:36,560
investigations within government uh and

2417
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:38,560
let me see here

2418
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,040
arizona yep there you go exactly

2419
01:28:44,709 --> 01:28:42,800
reuben's congressman ruben gallagher of

2420
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,719
arizona was the first one to introduce

2421
01:28:49,510 --> 01:28:46,239
this house version

2422
01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,520
um so again the point is is that we may

2423
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:51,199
still see

2424
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:53,600
the senate pass legislation which has to

2425
01:28:58,070 --> 01:28:55,760
do with the establishment of a

2426
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:58,080
uap office within government now the

2427
01:29:01,669 --> 01:29:00,000
shake-up occurred on november 23rd as

2428
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,679
everybody in washington was going home

2429
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:04,159
for the thanksgiving holiday

2430
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:07,040
the dod quietly made a announcement by a

2431
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:09,360
release at its website about the

2432
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:12,639
establishment of the airborne um uh gosh

2433
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:14,159
okay now even i can't remember it let's

2434
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:14,800
see

2435
01:29:18,390 --> 01:29:16,639
you did it so perfectly

2436
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:18,400
right yeah the airborne object

2437
01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:20,560
identification uh management and

2438
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:22,719
synchronization group

2439
01:29:27,510 --> 01:29:24,560
there we go you got it

2440
01:29:29,990 --> 01:29:27,520
otherwise known as the take a drink yeah

2441
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:34,229
yeah cheers to that right god

2442
01:29:38,550 --> 01:29:36,709
so anyway uh when they established this

2443
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:38,560
um

2444
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:39,840
one thing that was very interesting

2445
01:29:43,669 --> 01:29:41,760
about that now i'll note my colleague

2446
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:43,679
tim macmillan co-founder the debrief

2447
01:29:47,270 --> 01:29:44,880
with me

2448
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:47,280
um and really kind of my right hand man

2449
01:29:50,790 --> 01:29:48,560
tim and i

2450
01:29:52,550 --> 01:29:50,800
we we we keep an eye on a lot of things

2451
01:29:54,149 --> 01:29:52,560
happening not just in the world of uap

2452
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:54,159
and and you couldn't ask for a better

2453
01:29:57,830 --> 01:29:57,040
buddy and teammate in this in this space

2454
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:57,840
but

2455
01:30:02,870 --> 01:30:00,719
tim privately messaged me and said

2456
01:30:04,310 --> 01:30:02,880
i think it's weird at all that like cnn

2457
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,320
and the new york times and everybody

2458
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:06,239
covered this but they didn't have much

2459
01:30:09,110 --> 01:30:07,679
to say about the gillibrand amendment

2460
01:30:10,709 --> 01:30:09,120
and i'm like yeah okay that's a very

2461
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,719
good point

2462
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:12,639
and um and yes it did have the

2463
01:30:18,470 --> 01:30:15,440
appearance of of outwardly being an

2464
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:18,480
attempt to try and and by the way zin's

2465
01:30:21,430 --> 01:30:19,920
a bill right there saying the longer the

2466
01:30:23,110 --> 01:30:21,440
acronym the more obfuscation and the

2467
01:30:24,470 --> 01:30:23,120
purpose

2468
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:24,480
yes

2469
01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:26,800
yep stole your thunder but that's so

2470
01:30:32,950 --> 01:30:30,080
true my theory is again

2471
01:30:34,629 --> 01:30:32,960
yeah make it an unmemorable barely

2472
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:34,639
pronounceable name which is the very

2473
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:36,320
reason i've committed it to memory you

2474
01:30:38,870 --> 01:30:37,440
know

2475
01:30:40,790 --> 01:30:38,880
they don't want people to remember the

2476
01:30:42,550 --> 01:30:40,800
name they don't want people

2477
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,560
to be able to have a name that rolls off

2478
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:44,320
the tongue so they can easily reference

2479
01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:45,600
it when they're trying to talk about the

2480
01:30:50,550 --> 01:30:48,400
nuanced aspects of government

2481
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:50,560
investigating uap that is not what they

2482
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:51,440
want

2483
01:30:54,629 --> 01:30:53,600
i'm convinced that that's the case

2484
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:54,639
now

2485
01:30:57,030 --> 01:30:56,080
i'm not the only person who thinks this

2486
01:30:58,790 --> 01:30:57,040
again

2487
01:31:01,030 --> 01:30:58,800
very shortly after this

2488
01:31:03,590 --> 01:31:01,040
release appeared at the dod website of

2489
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:03,600
course we also had uh louis lozando

2490
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,199
taking to twitter christopher mellon

2491
01:31:09,830 --> 01:31:07,199
taking to twitter a number of people

2492
01:31:13,110 --> 01:31:09,840
taking to twitter and saying look

2493
01:31:14,709 --> 01:31:13,120
what this current office outlines is

2494
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,719
going to contribute to the kind of

2495
01:31:19,110 --> 01:31:16,400
problems we have seen in the past in

2496
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:19,120
terms of issues of transparency not

2497
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:21,520
moving us forward

2498
01:31:24,550 --> 01:31:23,280
and in in the spirit of the kind of

2499
01:31:26,470 --> 01:31:24,560
transparency that we've seen a

2500
01:31:28,310 --> 01:31:26,480
glimmering of with the uap task force

2501
01:31:29,830 --> 01:31:28,320
report acknowledging

2502
01:31:31,189 --> 01:31:29,840
i mean for the first time in decades oh

2503
01:31:33,750 --> 01:31:31,199
gosh there are things in the sky that we

2504
01:31:35,350 --> 01:31:33,760
can't identify that's very important now

2505
01:31:37,590 --> 01:31:35,360
again what are the real issues with the

2506
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:37,600
aoi msg and how does it differ from

2507
01:31:42,390 --> 01:31:40,639
gillibrand and rubio's proposed asro

2508
01:31:44,310 --> 01:31:42,400
well first of all we're not seeing any

2509
01:31:46,229 --> 01:31:44,320
prof uh provisions about any kind of

2510
01:31:48,149 --> 01:31:46,239
trans medium observations they're only

2511
01:31:50,229 --> 01:31:48,159
looking at controlled airspace over

2512
01:31:52,550 --> 01:31:50,239
special access areas or i'm sorry

2513
01:31:53,590 --> 01:31:52,560
special use areas

2514
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:53,600
basically

2515
01:31:56,709 --> 01:31:55,520
we're talking about military controlled

2516
01:31:58,149 --> 01:31:56,719
airspace

2517
01:32:00,870 --> 01:31:58,159
they don't want to have this open to the

2518
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:00,880
entire civilian airspace you know i mean

2519
01:32:05,270 --> 01:32:03,280
that would be a lot to have to cover now

2520
01:32:06,870 --> 01:32:05,280
i spoke with dr mark rodiger you know

2521
01:32:08,790 --> 01:32:06,880
again uh director and scientific

2522
01:32:10,470 --> 01:32:08,800
director also for the jail and heineken

2523
01:32:12,790 --> 01:32:10,480
center for ufo studies over the weekend

2524
01:32:14,790 --> 01:32:12,800
and you know dr rodiger kind of shares

2525
01:32:17,750 --> 01:32:14,800
my contention that

2526
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:17,760
it may not be nefarious the dod's reason

2527
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:19,840
for wanting to to to you know restrict

2528
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:22,400
this just to special use aerospace

2529
01:32:26,629 --> 01:32:24,159
it very well may be that as we saw in

2530
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,639
the odni report what they said at that

2531
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:28,560
time was that most of these aerial

2532
01:32:33,510 --> 01:32:31,360
incursions by uap occurred during

2533
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:33,520
planned military exercises occurring in

2534
01:32:38,709 --> 01:32:36,480
this in this airspace anyway so the ua

2535
01:32:40,950 --> 01:32:38,719
again the the dod's perspective on all

2536
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,960
this may just be well this is where our

2537
01:32:45,030 --> 01:32:42,400
military service men and women are

2538
01:32:47,590 --> 01:32:45,040
encountering uap so let's restrict our

2539
01:32:49,110 --> 01:32:47,600
our you know investigations to that area

2540
01:32:51,270 --> 01:32:49,120
which rather than a restriction or a

2541
01:32:53,110 --> 01:32:51,280
limitation as many have termed it

2542
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:53,120
one might view it i'm giving them the

2543
01:32:57,669 --> 01:32:55,840
benefit of the doubt here guys but

2544
01:32:59,990 --> 01:32:57,679
but one may view this as being them

2545
01:33:02,229 --> 01:33:00,000
saying well let's let's narrow our focus

2546
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:02,239
to the places where we know we're seeing

2547
01:33:05,669 --> 01:33:04,080
uap

2548
01:33:07,590 --> 01:33:05,679
and there may be historical precedent

2549
01:33:09,189 --> 01:33:07,600
for that this comes back to the nuclear

2550
01:33:11,110 --> 01:33:09,199
incidence okay

2551
01:33:14,310 --> 01:33:11,120
there's nothing that we have heard about

2552
01:33:16,149 --> 01:33:14,320
explicitly that says that the aoi msg is

2553
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:16,159
going to be looking at the nuclear sites

2554
01:33:20,149 --> 01:33:18,000
and uap incidents occurring there like

2555
01:33:21,510 --> 01:33:20,159
the gillibrand amendment called for

2556
01:33:23,430 --> 01:33:21,520
but one would have to guess that if

2557
01:33:25,750 --> 01:33:23,440
we're going to be monitoring in you know

2558
01:33:27,430 --> 01:33:25,760
uap occurrences around controlled

2559
01:33:28,790 --> 01:33:27,440
airspace that this would also include

2560
01:33:31,189 --> 01:33:28,800
military

2561
01:33:33,030 --> 01:33:31,199
sites and nuclear sites nuclear weapons

2562
01:33:35,270 --> 01:33:33,040
sites and what have you

2563
01:33:38,550 --> 01:33:35,280
and in fact there's historical precedent

2564
01:33:40,070 --> 01:33:38,560
for uap occurrences happening there as

2565
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:40,080
robert salas outlined for us in

2566
01:33:43,510 --> 01:33:42,000
washington earlier this year so giving

2567
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:43,520
the dod the benefit of the doubt one

2568
01:33:46,550 --> 01:33:45,280
interpretation may be that they're not

2569
01:33:48,950 --> 01:33:46,560
trying to say we're not going to look at

2570
01:33:51,189 --> 01:33:48,960
the sum total of uap occurrences we're

2571
01:33:53,110 --> 01:33:51,199
just going to narrow our focus

2572
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:53,120
to looking at areas where we know they

2573
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:55,040
are occurring and for which we have a

2574
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:57,600
lot of documentation that seems to

2575
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:00,320
support the occurrences happening there

2576
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,880
but again the problems are also uh you

2577
01:34:07,270 --> 01:34:04,560
know extended to the oversight and the

2578
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,280
transparency side of this too because

2579
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:09,280
again what we had back i think going all

2580
01:34:15,189 --> 01:34:12,560
the way back to the summer of uh 2020

2581
01:34:16,790 --> 01:34:15,199
was a report from the

2582
01:34:18,709 --> 01:34:16,800
senate select uh committee on

2583
01:34:19,830 --> 01:34:18,719
intelligence which was saying

2584
01:34:21,990 --> 01:34:19,840
you know we support the efforts of the

2585
01:34:23,669 --> 01:34:22,000
uap task force and if this intelligence

2586
01:34:25,830 --> 01:34:23,679
authorization act which ryan you

2587
01:34:27,270 --> 01:34:25,840
reported on there for the debrief that

2588
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:27,280
was one of your articles that you wrote

2589
01:34:31,189 --> 01:34:29,440
for us if this is passed into law and it

2590
01:34:32,709 --> 01:34:31,199
ended up being passed into law so good

2591
01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:32,719
good work ryan but

2592
01:34:37,830 --> 01:34:34,800
if you said this when once it's passed

2593
01:34:40,870 --> 01:34:37,840
into law uh you know we'll this will

2594
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:40,880
allow us the senate to direct the uab

2595
01:34:44,629 --> 01:34:42,719
task force to deliver a report to

2596
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:44,639
congress and that's exactly what we got

2597
01:34:49,189 --> 01:34:46,480
so one of the concerns that we're we

2598
01:34:51,510 --> 01:34:49,199
have about the aoi msg preemptively

2599
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:51,520
being established prior to the national

2600
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:53,760
defense authorization act being passed

2601
01:34:57,750 --> 01:34:55,760
into law by the senate is

2602
01:34:59,669 --> 01:34:57,760
will we have those same provisions do we

2603
01:35:02,070 --> 01:34:59,679
have any assurance that the pentagon is

2604
01:35:03,910 --> 01:35:02,080
going to provide data to congress and to

2605
01:35:05,750 --> 01:35:03,920
the people now i reached out to the

2606
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:05,760
pentagon in recent years and pentagon

2607
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:07,920
spokesperson susan goff got back with me

2608
01:35:11,590 --> 01:35:09,360
and she said listen

2609
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,600
we have every intention of doing that

2610
01:35:15,669 --> 01:35:13,520
there will be unclassified and

2611
01:35:18,709 --> 01:35:15,679
classified data supplied to congress and

2612
01:35:19,830 --> 01:35:18,719
we are going to be transparent

2613
01:35:21,669 --> 01:35:19,840
but again

2614
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,679
for my own part it's one thing to be

2615
01:35:25,350 --> 01:35:23,760
told that by the dod

2616
01:35:28,470 --> 01:35:25,360
right it's another thing for it to have

2617
01:35:30,149 --> 01:35:28,480
been legislated and guys as is described

2618
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:30,159
in the preamble of the constitution you

2619
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:31,920
know where it talks about we the people

2620
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:33,840
and and you know what we want and what

2621
01:35:38,629 --> 01:35:35,760
our government is supposed to deliver to

2622
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:38,639
us you know in terms of assurances for

2623
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:41,280
protection and defense of the nation

2624
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:43,920
i want those who i elect

2625
01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:45,360
not the ones who are appointed who i

2626
01:35:48,950 --> 01:35:46,719
have nothing to do with whether or not

2627
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:48,960
they work for me or not the ones who i

2628
01:35:53,910 --> 01:35:51,840
elect in washington i want those people

2629
01:35:56,310 --> 01:35:53,920
to be involved in the process of

2630
01:35:57,109 --> 01:35:56,320
appointing and directing what the dod

2631
01:35:59,030 --> 01:35:57,119
does

2632
01:36:00,310 --> 01:35:59,040
and that's why i support the general

2633
01:36:01,510 --> 01:36:00,320
brand amendment the big difference is

2634
01:36:03,109 --> 01:36:01,520
there's one by appointment there's

2635
01:36:05,189 --> 01:36:03,119
another one through legislation and we

2636
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,199
the people have a right and we have the

2637
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:08,080
ability to influence lawmakers on that

2638
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:09,520
point so if you haven't already and if

2639
01:36:13,189 --> 01:36:11,679
you're passionate about this issue too

2640
01:36:15,030 --> 01:36:13,199
contact your senators and your

2641
01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:15,040
representatives and let them know you

2642
01:36:19,350 --> 01:36:16,960
don't want uap investigations by

2643
01:36:21,510 --> 01:36:19,360
appointment with no assurance that there

2644
01:36:23,590 --> 01:36:21,520
will be oversight and transparency you

2645
01:36:25,189 --> 01:36:23,600
want the assurance through lawmakers and

2646
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:25,199
legislation

2647
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,880
that this information will be made

2648
01:36:31,109 --> 01:36:28,800
available to the congress and that any

2649
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:31,119
unclassified data will also thereby be

2650
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:32,960
made available to the people because you

2651
01:36:38,310 --> 01:36:35,040
know what yes in that great tradition of

2652
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:38,320
jack nicholson we can handle the truth

2653
01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:40,560
absolutely amen man and you know

2654
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:43,119
seriously

2655
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:45,360
cheers to that before we get to your

2656
01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:48,159
thoughts chain um we should mention the

2657
01:36:53,109 --> 01:36:50,639
big phone home too that took place this

2658
01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:53,119
year as well over at the unidentified

2659
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,440
celebrity review um this group has

2660
01:36:59,030 --> 01:36:57,040
really uh

2661
01:37:01,750 --> 01:36:59,040
invigorated people to reach out to the

2662
01:37:04,790 --> 01:37:01,760
representatives and you know

2663
01:37:07,430 --> 01:37:04,800
maybe the defeatist in me um of trying

2664
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,440
to do this for many years and trying to

2665
01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:09,520
contact my reps who always gave me the

2666
01:37:14,709 --> 01:37:12,320
cold shoulder uh made me jaded but it

2667
01:37:17,109 --> 01:37:14,719
was these big phone home events that

2668
01:37:19,030 --> 01:37:17,119
really got people passionate um who

2669
01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:19,040
never thought about this topic before

2670
01:37:22,390 --> 01:37:20,719
and it actually

2671
01:37:25,270 --> 01:37:22,400
made a difference we're getting

2672
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,280
responses by all of our reps now about

2673
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,520
this topic because it has been put on

2674
01:37:31,669 --> 01:37:29,520
the house floor it has been put in the

2675
01:37:34,310 --> 01:37:31,679
mainstream media i mean tim burchett

2676
01:37:37,830 --> 01:37:34,320
went on the house floor this past week

2677
01:37:40,229 --> 01:37:37,840
and said hey pentagon your dod thing

2678
01:37:43,189 --> 01:37:40,239
it's [\h__\h] and we know it so we've

2679
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:43,199
got that gillard brand amendment

2680
01:37:45,990 --> 01:37:44,880
exactly i don't really interrupt but let

2681
01:37:47,910 --> 01:37:46,000
me just point out something else and

2682
01:37:49,189 --> 01:37:47,920
this is very important also again

2683
01:37:51,189 --> 01:37:49,199
talking about reaching out to the

2684
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:51,199
offices of senators and congressmen and

2685
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,760
women again you know i've done the same

2686
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:55,360
thing and in fact you know now granted

2687
01:38:00,149 --> 01:37:57,760
my my uh activity here is a little

2688
01:38:02,149 --> 01:38:00,159
different because not only as a citizen

2689
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:02,159
appealing to my representatives i'm also

2690
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:03,600
as a journalist reaching out for

2691
01:38:07,590 --> 01:38:05,840
statements but let me be clear i reached

2692
01:38:08,550 --> 01:38:07,600
out to every single

2693
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:08,560
uh

2694
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,239
a member of the senate who has

2695
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,400
co-sponsored gillibrand's proposed

2696
01:38:15,990 --> 01:38:14,400
amendment every single one

2697
01:38:17,830 --> 01:38:16,000
i didn't just do it by email i called

2698
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,840
them and i actually spoke to interns at

2699
01:38:22,870 --> 01:38:20,080
their offices in washington

2700
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:22,880
uh and some of them spoke to me but i

2701
01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:26,719
didn't get responses from any office

2702
01:38:29,910 --> 01:38:28,800
except for one

2703
01:38:31,830 --> 01:38:29,920
and

2704
01:38:33,350 --> 01:38:31,840
the one office that did actually respond

2705
01:38:37,030 --> 01:38:33,360
to me was

2706
01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:37,040
u.s senator out of new york gila brand

2707
01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:38,400
and let me tell you what

2708
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:40,080
but and this is i think at a very

2709
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:41,920
important point that should be

2710
01:38:46,390 --> 01:38:44,400
emphasized if you have any doubts about

2711
01:38:47,910 --> 01:38:46,400
what senators think because some may be

2712
01:38:50,070 --> 01:38:47,920
under the impression that you know the

2713
01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:50,080
aoi msg is oh well this is what the

2714
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:52,159
senators wanted right so this is good

2715
01:38:55,189 --> 01:38:53,760
they don't have to worry about it listen

2716
01:38:57,270 --> 01:38:55,199
to what gillibrand's office said in this

2717
01:38:58,470 --> 01:38:57,280
coming via lizzie landau press secretary

2718
01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:58,480
for her office

2719
01:39:01,750 --> 01:38:59,840
lizzie says and i quote while we

2720
01:39:05,030 --> 01:39:01,760
appreciate dod's attention to the issue

2721
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:05,040
the aoi msg doesn't go nearly far enough

2722
01:39:08,550 --> 01:39:06,639
to help us better understand the data

2723
01:39:09,830 --> 01:39:08,560
we're gathering on uaps senator

2724
01:39:11,910 --> 01:39:09,840
gillibrand and representative

2725
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:11,920
gallagher's framework does much more to

2726
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:14,080
address the uap issue while also

2727
01:39:18,070 --> 01:39:16,239
maintaining public oversight

2728
01:39:19,830 --> 01:39:18,080
she continues the legislation covers

2729
01:39:21,510 --> 01:39:19,840
civilian oversight and establishes an

2730
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:21,520
advisory committee which would bring in

2731
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:23,040
experts and academics outside the

2732
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,719
government to participate in ongoing

2733
01:39:28,629 --> 01:39:26,719
investigations so there you have it i

2734
01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:28,639
mean even you know the folks there at

2735
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:30,159
the office of senator gillibrand are

2736
01:39:33,350 --> 01:39:31,679
laying it all out there for you all the

2737
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:33,360
more reason i think that yet again we

2738
01:39:36,629 --> 01:39:35,040
the people you need to contact your

2739
01:39:38,950 --> 01:39:36,639
senators your representatives let them

2740
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,960
know what you think because

2741
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,960
they take issue with what's happening in

2742
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:42,719
washington right now i think we should

2743
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:43,920
too

2744
01:39:48,149 --> 01:39:46,320
absolutely hear that gillibrand she

2745
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:48,159
lives next door i forgot that i forgot

2746
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:50,639
to mention that thank you

2747
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:52,960
nelson will telepathically communicate

2748
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:54,800
it

2749
01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:59,440
gonna work on that

2750
01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:01,119
um jane

2751
01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:02,960
give it to us what do you make of all

2752
01:40:07,750 --> 01:40:05,360
this contentious stuff going on and this

2753
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:07,760
is our last story so um we're going to

2754
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:09,199
wrap things up after that we want to

2755
01:40:13,430 --> 01:40:11,280
hear what you guys think too so put in

2756
01:40:16,470 --> 01:40:13,440
the chat what you look forward to in

2757
01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:16,480
2022 with ufos but jane give it to us

2758
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:17,840
what do you make of all of that well i

2759
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,679
definitely i support the jail brand

2760
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:21,360
amendment i mean that that in the

2761
01:40:26,070 --> 01:40:24,000
simplest way to put it um but there were

2762
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:26,080
three things in it that really stuck out

2763
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:28,880
to me i mean everybody was i think

2764
01:40:34,550 --> 01:40:31,040
um surprised pleasantly surprised by the

2765
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:34,560
trans medium a whole office just to

2766
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:37,119
investigate trans medium craft i do

2767
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:39,520
think it's interesting the peop the

2768
01:40:43,590 --> 01:40:41,520
groups that would

2769
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:43,600
essentially have this new government job

2770
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,040
right looking at ufos may have

2771
01:40:51,350 --> 01:40:48,960
may have helped to lobby for this

2772
01:40:52,709 --> 01:40:51,360
amendment or supported it before i think

2773
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,719
that's interesting people should keep

2774
01:40:55,030 --> 01:40:54,080
that in mind

2775
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:55,040
um

2776
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:56,560
and then the other two things that

2777
01:41:00,790 --> 01:40:58,560
really stuck out was the focus on the

2778
01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:00,800
physiological effects of

2779
01:41:05,350 --> 01:41:03,280
of ufo i could definitely see

2780
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,360
disclosure beginning with let's focus on

2781
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:07,520
the human experience you know things

2782
01:41:11,990 --> 01:41:09,280
like radiation burns like louisiana

2783
01:41:13,270 --> 01:41:12,000
talked about in the gq interview and i

2784
01:41:16,870 --> 01:41:13,280
think about how

2785
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,880
if in you know 2021 um people may be

2786
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:18,960
familiar with the cash landrum incident

2787
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:21,600
here in texas where the witnesses you

2788
01:41:27,109 --> 01:41:24,400
know experienced radiation uh

2789
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:27,119
symptoms and tried to sue the government

2790
01:41:33,270 --> 01:41:30,400
right uh to recuperate the medical bills

2791
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,280
if that were to happen now in 2021 let's

2792
01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:35,600
say or 2022 or this amendment's passed

2793
01:41:38,709 --> 01:41:37,360
right or whatever

2794
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,719
what would that look like would they

2795
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:40,800
have won that suit so i think that's

2796
01:41:45,270 --> 01:41:42,400
really interesting separately in the

2797
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:45,280
national defense bill there is another

2798
01:41:50,790 --> 01:41:48,639
section as well about anomalous adverse

2799
01:41:52,790 --> 01:41:50,800
physical effects so they are

2800
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:52,800
that that's not an amendment that's part

2801
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:55,199
of the uh foundational bills i think

2802
01:42:01,270 --> 01:41:58,159
there's a focus on that and then lastly

2803
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:01,280
there was a call to the to task really

2804
01:42:07,189 --> 01:42:03,600
the whole intelligence community with

2805
01:42:09,430 --> 01:42:07,199
the disclosing ufo and data and

2806
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:09,440
information they have so this is in my

2807
01:42:14,470 --> 01:42:12,400
opinion super sweeping it even defines

2808
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:14,480
intelligence community as it's defined

2809
01:42:21,350 --> 01:42:18,320
in the national security act of 1947.

2810
01:42:23,350 --> 01:42:21,360
so it's it's actually it's reaching back

2811
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:23,360
to roswell and trying to find the

2812
01:42:28,149 --> 01:42:25,920
specific intelligence agencies and

2813
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:28,159
including them in this so yes does this

2814
01:42:34,310 --> 01:42:31,040
dod report is just shoddy and rush

2815
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:34,320
comparison in comparison to it so i

2816
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,480
could see how it they were working all

2817
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:38,480
along then this amendment comes out and

2818
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:40,239
so they're like well we better say what

2819
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,880
we're doing you know right so i get that

2820
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:44,000
i'm still

2821
01:42:49,430 --> 01:42:46,960
again cautiously optimistic about luella

2822
01:42:50,910 --> 01:42:49,440
zondo and that narrative and i'm like am

2823
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:50,920
i watching a

2824
01:42:55,590 --> 01:42:54,080
wwe you know show right now i don't i

2825
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,600
don't really know what i'm looking at

2826
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:57,280
but i'm definitely a fan of the

2827
01:43:01,590 --> 01:43:00,080
gillibrand amendment so well written so

2828
01:43:03,109 --> 01:43:01,600
detailed

2829
01:43:05,430 --> 01:43:03,119
you know i think we could get to the

2830
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:05,440
bottom of it you know if if that

2831
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:07,679
amendment were passed

2832
01:43:11,830 --> 01:43:10,159
true truly and if people are truly

2833
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:11,840
transparent with the execution of it

2834
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:14,400
right exactly that's a very good caveat

2835
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:16,239
well i mean it's just it's crazy that

2836
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:18,159
we're even having this conversation that

2837
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,000
we have we have two different ufo

2838
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:24,239
organizations or groups kind of battling

2839
01:43:29,510 --> 01:43:26,719
for supremacy it is it's like raw and

2840
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:29,520
smackdown at survivor series for all my

2841
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:30,560
wrestling

2842
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:32,000
friends out there

2843
01:43:35,990 --> 01:43:33,920
i'm sorry i had to go there micah you

2844
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:36,000
have to go there i'm re-watching all of

2845
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,960
wwe right now i know she's like

2846
01:43:42,149 --> 01:43:40,480
shut up youtube you can talk about

2847
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:42,159
broadway again i'll get all those let's

2848
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:45,040
go let's go back to broadway

2849
01:43:50,070 --> 01:43:47,920
oh man no you guys bring up so many good

2850
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,080
points i don't even know where to begin

2851
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:52,639
um let's highlight some of what um the

2852
01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,239
chat's bringing up here before we wrap

2853
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:56,480
things up 2022 really want public

2854
01:44:00,790 --> 01:43:58,480
congressional hearings we might get them

2855
01:44:02,790 --> 01:44:00,800
it could happen um one of my favorites

2856
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:02,800
actually rodrigo says i want to be

2857
01:44:05,669 --> 01:44:04,480
flying a ufo

2858
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,679
that's

2859
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,920
so true we're getting our flying cars

2860
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:09,600
first

2861
01:44:15,109 --> 01:44:13,280
yeah exactly um oh galileo project we

2862
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:15,119
have to mention that before we go here

2863
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:17,920
guys avi loeb in the galileo project i

2864
01:44:23,990 --> 01:44:20,880
know ucr just interviewed him debrief

2865
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:24,000
and now has um mr avi loeb writing over

2866
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:25,280
there as well

2867
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:27,440
so that i'm going to say right now

2868
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,000
personally that's what i'm most excited

2869
01:44:34,260 --> 01:44:33,040
about moving into 2022 isn't so much

2870
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,270
asro

2871
01:44:39,030 --> 01:44:36,639
[Applause]

2872
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:39,040
it's it's the galileo project in the

2873
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:40,480
scientific

2874
01:44:45,750 --> 01:44:43,199
endeavors going on with um whatever

2875
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,760
trying to find uh you know techno

2876
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:47,520
signatures or all the other amazing

2877
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,080
things the images that galileo project

2878
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:52,880
hopes to capture um that's what i'm most

2879
01:44:56,550 --> 01:44:55,119
excited about so i'm so happy the chat

2880
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:56,560
brought that up so what do you guys

2881
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:57,679
think what do you think about the

2882
01:45:00,870 --> 01:44:59,679
galileo project and what avilope is

2883
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,880
doing and

2884
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,960
can it find a place in everything going

2885
01:45:06,390 --> 01:45:05,040
on in the ufo conversation well i'd like

2886
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:06,400
to hear what jane has to say about that

2887
01:45:10,870 --> 01:45:08,639
but i'll first just interject a great

2888
01:45:13,510 --> 01:45:10,880
kind of quote worthy statement from avi

2889
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:13,520
loeb he's made this many times

2890
01:45:18,629 --> 01:45:15,679
um and that is the skies aren't

2891
01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:18,639
classified and and you know scientists

2892
01:45:22,229 --> 01:45:20,480
should be training our telescopes and

2893
01:45:23,750 --> 01:45:22,239
looking now granted

2894
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:23,760
i've said this

2895
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:26,400
many times um and i've corresponded i've

2896
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:29,119
i've interviewed avi twice and of course

2897
01:45:31,990 --> 01:45:30,480
corresponded with him and continue to

2898
01:45:33,669 --> 01:45:32,000
correspond with him and yes he's writing

2899
01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:33,679
for us not to debrief i mean imagine

2900
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:35,360
that

2901
01:45:39,590 --> 01:45:37,440
like a year ago when we launched this

2902
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,600
publication that you know avi and that

2903
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:41,760
uh leslie kane and that ralph blumenthal

2904
01:45:45,510 --> 01:45:42,880
would be

2905
01:45:47,830 --> 01:45:45,520
contributors at our website but you know

2906
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:47,840
i'm i'm thrilled to have them uh but

2907
01:45:52,550 --> 01:45:50,960
that said again uh i think to avi's

2908
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,560
point even if it's gonna be maybe a

2909
01:45:57,189 --> 01:45:54,639
little more difficult i would say

2910
01:45:59,270 --> 01:45:57,199
uh nailing down what uap are then just

2911
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:59,280
training our telescopes on the skies and

2912
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:01,360
trying to you know see one

2913
01:46:07,669 --> 01:46:05,520
uh i applaud and i and i fully support a

2914
01:46:09,750 --> 01:46:07,679
harvard astronomer

2915
01:46:10,950 --> 01:46:09,760
getting involved in this because again

2916
01:46:13,430 --> 01:46:10,960
um

2917
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:13,440
i was talking uh oh gosh who was it that

2918
01:46:17,990 --> 01:46:16,159
i'd spoken to about this uh oh it was it

2919
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:18,000
was mark rodinger when he and i were

2920
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:19,679
talking you know from the center for ufo

2921
01:46:22,870 --> 01:46:21,920
studies and he said i just got to ask he

2922
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:22,880
says you know what do you think about

2923
01:46:26,550 --> 01:46:25,119
avi lo boy he's a firebrand isn't he and

2924
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:26,560
he says and especially if you think

2925
01:46:31,109 --> 01:46:28,960
about the history of harvard astronomers

2926
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,119
and their attitude toward ufos donald

2927
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:33,360
menzel he said menzel would be turning

2928
01:46:37,109 --> 01:46:35,360
over in his grave if he saw what meant

2929
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:37,119
what loeb is doing

2930
01:46:42,310 --> 01:46:40,000
but again i fully support the efforts of

2931
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:42,320
the galileo project and avi loeb and i

2932
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:45,119
welcome an a serious american astronomer

2933
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:46,560
who's willing to

2934
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,880
interact with we the little people who

2935
01:46:53,270 --> 01:46:50,800
have been looking at ufos now for

2936
01:46:55,430 --> 01:46:53,280
decades ourselves i welcome his

2937
01:46:56,629 --> 01:46:55,440
involvement i welcome his enthusiasm and

2938
01:46:57,990 --> 01:46:56,639
i sincerely hope that with his

2939
01:46:59,669 --> 01:46:58,000
telescopes or any other kind of

2940
01:47:01,990 --> 01:46:59,679
methodology he hopes to apply it toward

2941
01:47:03,669 --> 01:47:02,000
this that he finds uap i hope he does

2942
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:03,679
because you know what then it won't be

2943
01:47:09,109 --> 01:47:06,639
withheld from the public then if avi or

2944
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:09,119
anybody with galileo project finds it

2945
01:47:12,390 --> 01:47:10,639
presumably that information is going to

2946
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:12,400
be in the public domain as it should be

2947
01:47:15,189 --> 01:47:13,440
because

2948
01:47:16,390 --> 01:47:15,199
we can handle the truth it's about time

2949
01:47:19,030 --> 01:47:16,400
we do

2950
01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:19,040
yep and the skies are not classified as

2951
01:47:24,070 --> 01:47:21,840
avi lopez said so again that's why i

2952
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:24,080
think the scientific endeavor is so much

2953
01:47:28,229 --> 01:47:26,320
more important than just the government

2954
01:47:29,910 --> 01:47:28,239
and this national security threat really

2955
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:29,920
is yeah but i wanted to do what jane had

2956
01:47:34,470 --> 01:47:32,719
to say by the way yes yeah well i love

2957
01:47:37,510 --> 01:47:34,480
a cool character

2958
01:47:41,189 --> 01:47:37,520
it's it's funny though because the umuah

2959
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:41,199
um that whole saga i loved that that was

2960
01:47:47,030 --> 01:47:44,000
a big news story i guess for me just

2961
01:47:48,870 --> 01:47:47,040
getting people to even imagine that

2962
01:47:50,229 --> 01:47:48,880
that light that they saw that they

2963
01:47:53,830 --> 01:47:50,239
thought was a shooting star could have

2964
01:47:57,109 --> 01:47:53,840
been a spaceship is a big deal people

2965
01:48:00,390 --> 01:47:57,119
it's so abby loves done a really good

2966
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:00,400
job at awakening everybody's imagination

2967
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:12,950
plural or what whatever you know in the

2968
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:15,600
bible and you know in religious texts

2969
01:48:21,910 --> 01:48:19,040
being aliens and nobody booed him so

2970
01:48:25,590 --> 01:48:21,920
he's a very influential person he's able

2971
01:48:27,510 --> 01:48:25,600
to suggest in my opinion some really

2972
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:27,520
out there

2973
01:48:32,629 --> 01:48:30,080
concepts that you know the evidence is

2974
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,639
kind of murky about so it's but he has a

2975
01:48:36,709 --> 01:48:34,639
lot of credibility when he talks about

2976
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:36,719
it and so i think

2977
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:39,199
i think we'll wait and see let's see

2978
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:41,679
what the galileo project does let's see

2979
01:48:47,750 --> 01:48:44,719
if he's able to escape signing an nda

2980
01:48:49,830 --> 01:48:47,760
like you know like he says uh you know

2981
01:48:51,669 --> 01:48:49,840
how much is it you know here he is

2982
01:48:52,629 --> 01:48:51,679
already part of this government

2983
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,639
amendment

2984
01:48:56,229 --> 01:48:54,719
going into this i'm a public you know

2985
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:56,239
transparent

2986
01:49:00,950 --> 01:48:58,960
uh investigator right so already it's

2987
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,960
getting murky in my opinion so i think

2988
01:49:03,590 --> 01:49:02,639
he might be tested

2989
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:03,600
and

2990
01:49:07,910 --> 01:49:05,600
as any of us would be i think in his

2991
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:07,920
position so i'm i'm very excited about

2992
01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:10,639
it but i'll wait and see

2993
01:49:15,510 --> 01:49:12,960
wait and see what they come up with

2994
01:49:19,589 --> 01:49:15,520
wait and see welcome to ufology the

2995
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:19,599
drama continues yes it never ends

2996
01:49:25,030 --> 01:49:22,480
it's amazing guys um well i'm just gonna

2997
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:25,040
end here i'm gonna let you guys go you

2998
01:49:29,109 --> 01:49:27,040
have done way more than i could have

2999
01:49:31,510 --> 01:49:29,119
ever asked for you um but i'm gonna read

3000
01:49:35,669 --> 01:49:31,520
some of what some of our followers over

3001
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:35,679
on twitter um want in 2022 but i want to

3002
01:49:39,589 --> 01:49:37,520
thank everyone in the chat for coming

3003
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:39,599
tonight i want to thank micah for coming

3004
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:41,440
and filling in for chrissy i couldn't

3005
01:49:45,430 --> 01:49:43,040
think of a better person to do so we

3006
01:49:47,669 --> 01:49:45,440
will have her back on soon she really

3007
01:49:50,629 --> 01:49:47,679
wants to do another show jane with you i

3008
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:50,639
miss chrissy yeah me too we will make it

3009
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,119
happen absolutely oh i

3010
01:49:58,149 --> 01:49:55,280
i do want to let people know so on the

3011
01:50:00,070 --> 01:49:58,159
bill nelson and the washington cathedral

3012
01:50:01,669 --> 01:50:00,080
chat this friday jess rogie will be

3013
01:50:04,070 --> 01:50:01,679
joining me live on youtube we're going

3014
01:50:07,270 --> 01:50:04,080
to be bringing back weird hollywood

3015
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:07,280
so if people recall bill nelson

3016
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:09,040
mentioned armageddon the movie

3017
01:50:13,589 --> 01:50:11,040
armageddon because they're sending out a

3018
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,599
craft it's actually in orbit right now

3019
01:50:18,229 --> 01:50:15,679
to do a similar uh

3020
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:18,239
an art mission yes so we are re-watching

3021
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:20,080
armageddon but we'll be also breaking

3022
01:50:23,510 --> 01:50:21,040
down

3023
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:23,520
some of this nasa stuff again this

3024
01:50:29,189 --> 01:50:27,119
friday evening eight eastern six pacific

3025
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:29,199
seven central well i know where i'll

3026
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:30,719
take them

3027
01:50:33,910 --> 01:50:32,320
yeah

3028
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,920
okay

3029
01:50:37,189 --> 01:50:35,520
i think that's right but friday friday

3030
01:50:39,270 --> 01:50:37,199
evening live but we just figured that

3031
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:39,280
out and it's so relevant i had to throw

3032
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:41,360
that out there for phone yeah of course

3033
01:50:45,189 --> 01:50:43,280
well and i look forward to seeing ben

3034
01:50:47,270 --> 01:50:45,199
affleck putting what was it graham

3035
01:50:49,270 --> 01:50:47,280
crackers on

3036
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:49,280
what's her name again yeah

3037
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:52,639
i'm excited to rewatch

3038
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,360
that's amazing well yeah before we go

3039
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:58,320
guys um please let us know

3040
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:00,639
everything you're up to i know micah and

3041
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:03,520
i just did an incredible round table

3042
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:06,400
over at jim harold show um so that

3043
01:51:11,589 --> 01:51:08,800
should be coming out in the next few

3044
01:51:14,310 --> 01:51:11,599
days maybe week or so a lot of fun peter

3045
01:51:16,470 --> 01:51:14,320
robbins was there chrissy or excuse me

3046
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:16,480
not chrissy christina gomez was there

3047
01:51:21,589 --> 01:51:18,960
with us as well um kind of like this we

3048
01:51:24,310 --> 01:51:21,599
talked all about 2021 so be on the

3049
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:24,320
lookout for that but um yeah micah

3050
01:51:27,270 --> 01:51:25,920
before you go man let us know where we

3051
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,280
can find everything you're up to and

3052
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:29,280
what comes next for you over at the

3053
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,840
debrief and micah hanks program well

3054
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:32,960
certainly and of course be on the

3055
01:51:35,750 --> 01:51:34,320
lookout for ryan sprague because i

3056
01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:35,760
believe he's going to be joining me for

3057
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:37,440
a round table over there on the micah

3058
01:51:40,709 --> 01:51:39,440
hanks program my podcast you know around

3059
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:40,719
the holidays

3060
01:51:46,149 --> 01:51:43,520
i i like to do round tables and um

3061
01:51:47,830 --> 01:51:46,159
that's definitely something that ryan

3062
01:51:49,109 --> 01:51:47,840
joins me for pretty frequently you know

3063
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:49,119
jane we got to get you over there

3064
01:51:52,229 --> 01:51:50,880
sometime too because

3065
01:51:53,990 --> 01:51:52,239
i've been looking forward to us being

3066
01:51:55,350 --> 01:51:54,000
able to finally talk and tonight that

3067
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:55,360
has happened so i'm just going to check

3068
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:57,760
that right off the bucket list okay

3069
01:52:00,870 --> 01:51:59,440
but uh but yeah i hope it won't be the

3070
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,880
last time and of course if anybody wants

3071
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:02,400
to follow me online you know i mean all

3072
01:52:06,270 --> 01:52:04,480
the information is right here at micah

3073
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,280
hanks on twitter

3074
01:52:10,350 --> 01:52:08,320
micahanks.com is the website and don't

3075
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:10,360
forget of course about

3076
01:52:13,830 --> 01:52:12,000
thedebrief.org

3077
01:52:15,669 --> 01:52:13,840
which is where you can find

3078
01:52:18,070 --> 01:52:15,679
all the reporting provided not only by

3079
01:52:20,470 --> 01:52:18,080
me but of course christopher plane tim

3080
01:52:22,229 --> 01:52:20,480
mcmillan mj banayas

3081
01:52:24,070 --> 01:52:22,239
and a cadre of other authors that

3082
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,080
include from time to time avi loeb of

3083
01:52:28,470 --> 01:52:26,400
harvard university ralph blumenthal of

3084
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,480
the new york times leslie kane ufo

3085
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:30,960
veteran reporter also the new york times

3086
01:52:35,430 --> 01:52:33,360
uh ryan sprague i mean if all the names

3087
01:52:37,109 --> 01:52:35,440
that i've named haven't already dropped

3088
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:37,119
your jaw then that one certainly should

3089
01:52:40,030 --> 01:52:38,480
ryan greg is a pretty regular

3090
01:52:42,070 --> 01:52:40,040
contributor over here at

3091
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:42,080
thedebrief.org as well

3092
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:44,080
and uh very glad to have all of the

3093
01:52:47,750 --> 01:52:45,920
aforementioned uh as a part of what we

3094
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:47,760
do and of course i've got this article

3095
01:52:51,270 --> 01:52:49,119
if you're wondering now what this

3096
01:52:54,390 --> 01:52:51,280
current state on the this gillibrand

3097
01:52:57,030 --> 01:52:54,400
thing is with regard to that versus the

3098
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:57,040
dod's aoi msg

3099
01:53:01,270 --> 01:52:58,719
i've got an article that's coming out

3100
01:53:03,189 --> 01:53:01,280
this week that uh i'm confident is the

3101
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:03,199
most comprehensive look probably that we

3102
01:53:05,510 --> 01:53:04,639
have seen

3103
01:53:07,589 --> 01:53:05,520
yet

3104
01:53:09,189 --> 01:53:07,599
on this that has been reported anywhere

3105
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:09,199
i mean i reached out like i mentioned to

3106
01:53:13,109 --> 01:53:11,040
every office of every senator who is

3107
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:13,119
co-sponsored the legislation scientific

3108
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:16,080
organizations universities the dod

3109
01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:19,119
itself uh also former defense officials

3110
01:53:23,430 --> 01:53:21,280
uh louis lozando is chimed in i mean

3111
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:23,440
there's an awful lot and you'll see it

3112
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,520
all there at the debrief

3113
01:53:29,990 --> 01:53:27,599
thank you micah and thank you to aaron

3114
01:53:32,790 --> 01:53:30,000
and debra for the super chats i do want

3115
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:32,800
to read one more thing here micah voice

3116
01:53:38,830 --> 01:53:36,000
of butter hanks is how we're going to

3117
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:38,840
sign you off tonight my man so

3118
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:41,199
micah thank you

3119
01:53:45,189 --> 01:53:43,520
i appreciate um everything you do for

3120
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:45,199
this community and everything you do for

3121
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:46,960
me and and everyone out there at the

3122
01:53:51,270 --> 01:53:49,119
debrief and at your show so

3123
01:53:53,270 --> 01:53:51,280
thank you have a great night brother and

3124
01:53:55,270 --> 01:53:53,280
happy holidays we will talk to you soon

3125
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:55,280
okay thank you to you both uh madame

3126
01:53:59,589 --> 01:53:57,840
jane and mr sprague thank you both and

3127
01:54:01,830 --> 01:53:59,599
uh thank you for what you do for this

3128
01:54:03,990 --> 01:54:01,840
community ryan you are a very necessary

3129
01:54:05,830 --> 01:54:04,000
voice i hope you will continue to be for

3130
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:05,840
many decades to come sir or at least as

3131
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:06,840
long as it

3132
01:54:12,950 --> 01:54:11,199
takes to end the truth embargo

3133
01:54:15,189 --> 01:54:12,960
all right as our good friend would just

3134
01:54:16,790 --> 01:54:15,199
always say good night brother

3135
01:54:18,229 --> 01:54:16,800
i love all you guys out there so you

3136
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:18,239
guys take care have a wonderful evening

3137
01:54:27,430 --> 01:54:24,310
micah oh that was awesome you're just

3138
01:54:30,390 --> 01:54:27,440
amazing i've followed micah forever it

3139
01:54:32,470 --> 01:54:30,400
and i've never gotten to talk to him so

3140
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:32,480
that was awesome oh my god that's

3141
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:33,520
awesome

3142
01:54:38,229 --> 01:54:35,840
just bringing the voices and the minds

3143
01:54:39,430 --> 01:54:38,239
together jane i know micah's one of my

3144
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:39,440
closest friends we've done money

3145
01:54:44,390 --> 01:54:41,920
conferences together we traveled the the

3146
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:44,400
world together at this point but i still

3147
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:46,560
get nervous when he comes on because i

3148
01:54:50,950 --> 01:54:48,840
know that brain of his i just keep the

3149
01:54:52,790 --> 01:54:50,960
recall it's like does he do you have a

3150
01:54:55,430 --> 01:54:52,800
teleprompter

3151
01:54:56,790 --> 01:54:55,440
how did you know what ufo case i was

3152
01:54:58,950 --> 01:54:56,800
talking about

3153
01:55:00,470 --> 01:54:58,960
he's a walking dead it's amazing yeah

3154
01:55:02,470 --> 01:55:00,480
that was incredible

3155
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:02,480
do you like the ufo trivia

3156
01:55:07,350 --> 01:55:04,480
yeah we will we'll have to start doing

3157
01:55:09,669 --> 01:55:07,360
ufo jeopardy um but jane you mentioned

3158
01:55:11,830 --> 01:55:09,679
um you're bringing back ufos in

3159
01:55:13,430 --> 01:55:11,840
hollywood but tell us all about

3160
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:13,440
everything else you just

3161
01:55:18,229 --> 01:55:15,920
it's amazing how far you've come in this

3162
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:18,239
field since i first met you and since i

3163
01:55:23,109 --> 01:55:20,800
had your first interview you're my very

3164
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:23,119
first interview ever

3165
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:26,880
so it's it's so crazy to be here

3166
01:55:33,189 --> 01:55:30,000
ufos are officially real and so much has

3167
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:33,199
changed you know from when we first met

3168
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:36,719
yeah and so it's exciting it's i'm i'm

3169
01:55:42,629 --> 01:55:39,920
excited for this next year the 23 minute

3170
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:42,639
video that louis londo keeps teasing the

3171
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:46,560
galileo project the triangle photo yeah

3172
01:55:51,589 --> 01:55:48,880
all of it i i think it's going to be an

3173
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:51,599
awesome year and robots too and and all

3174
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:54,320
the things around it right so it

3175
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:57,280
you know it's multifaceted so it'll be

3176
01:56:01,189 --> 01:55:58,320
yeah

3177
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:01,199
this is a great end of the year

3178
01:56:04,950 --> 01:56:03,280
celebration almost i'm sure some things

3179
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:04,960
will happen before

3180
01:56:09,589 --> 01:56:07,119
i know before we get to

3181
01:56:12,950 --> 01:56:09,599
i know it's not quite our favorite story

3182
01:56:15,030 --> 01:56:12,960
might still of 2021 might still come out

3183
01:56:16,950 --> 01:56:15,040
it always happens in like december it

3184
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:16,960
really does so we might have to have you

3185
01:56:22,070 --> 01:56:19,760
back soon to do that but um

3186
01:56:23,669 --> 01:56:22,080
of course before you go jane please tell

3187
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:23,679
us where we can find everything you're

3188
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:26,000
up to yeah so yeah like i mentioned this

3189
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:28,320
friday weird hollywood that's where we

3190
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:29,199
um

3191
01:56:34,870 --> 01:56:31,920
we watch a movie but then we break down

3192
01:56:37,430 --> 01:56:34,880
the real the real behind the scenes the

3193
01:56:39,189 --> 01:56:37,440
real plot points and so with bill

3194
01:56:41,270 --> 01:56:39,199
nelson's telling us to watch uh

3195
01:56:43,990 --> 01:56:41,280
armageddon so we're gonna watch that uh

3196
01:56:45,669 --> 01:56:44,000
but yeah you can search ufo jane um on

3197
01:56:47,910 --> 01:56:45,679
youtube or all the social media and if

3198
01:56:50,030 --> 01:56:47,920
you're in texas and interested in local

3199
01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:50,040
sightings here there's texas ufo

3200
01:56:53,990 --> 01:56:52,639
sightings.com and then the texas ufo's

3201
01:56:57,189 --> 01:56:54,000
facebook page

3202
01:56:59,430 --> 01:56:57,199
go interact over there awesome again i

3203
01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:59,440
have to thank you for doing this such

3204
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:01,679
short notice we i think we covered a lot

3205
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:03,599
this is great so much more we could have

3206
01:57:08,149 --> 01:57:06,159
covered but there will be more stories

3207
01:57:09,030 --> 01:57:08,159
to come i'm sure in the coming weeks and

3208
01:57:11,510 --> 01:57:09,040
months

3209
01:57:13,109 --> 01:57:11,520
into 2022. so once again jane thank you

3210
01:57:15,350 --> 01:57:13,119
for joining me on somewhere in the skies

3211
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:15,360
and happy holidays to you and glurp in

3212
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:16,960
the whole family

3213
01:57:22,870 --> 01:57:18,960
you too thank you everybody

3214
01:57:28,709 --> 01:57:26,310
amazing guys i this could not have gone

3215
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:28,719
any better i'm so uh happy that michael

3216
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:31,199
was able to hop in we will have chrissy

3217
01:57:36,310 --> 01:57:34,080
newton back very soon um to talk all

3218
01:57:38,950 --> 01:57:36,320
about ufos and uh

3219
01:57:41,910 --> 01:57:38,960
some really interesting exciting stuff

3220
01:57:43,750 --> 01:57:41,920
that her and i are uh getting up to in

3221
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,760
2022 we're gonna get ourselves in

3222
01:57:47,830 --> 01:57:45,840
trouble in the ufo field and we can't

3223
01:57:50,310 --> 01:57:47,840
wait to share a lot of that information

3224
01:57:52,629 --> 01:57:50,320
with you hopefully very soon but before

3225
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:52,639
we go i did want to read some of what

3226
01:57:56,950 --> 01:57:55,199
our twitter followers over at summer

3227
01:57:58,709 --> 01:57:56,960
skies if you're not following us on

3228
01:58:01,669 --> 01:57:58,719
twitter head on over there at somewhere

3229
01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:01,679
skies and uh instagram summer skies pod

3230
01:58:04,950 --> 01:58:03,119
but i wanted to read a couple of these

3231
01:58:07,030 --> 01:58:04,960
for you here shadows of your mind on

3232
01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:07,040
twitter said i'm looking forward to more

3233
01:58:10,709 --> 01:58:08,320
nations getting involved in the

3234
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:10,719
conversation and starting new projects

3235
01:58:15,030 --> 01:58:12,880
and collaborations and i couldn't agree

3236
01:58:17,109 --> 01:58:15,040
more i think a lot of that is going to

3237
01:58:19,109 --> 01:58:17,119
be seen and this community is just

3238
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:19,119
growing every day and i think it's

3239
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:21,840
incredible so um yeah i'm with him on

3240
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that rather besquitting on twitter said

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01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:28,000
that he's looking forward um to astro

3242
01:58:33,510 --> 01:58:31,520
and aoi msg um they're great but i don't

3243
01:58:36,310 --> 01:58:33,520
think we'll see anything from them in

3244
01:58:38,790 --> 01:58:36,320
2022 which he's probably right i'm

3245
01:58:41,350 --> 01:58:38,800
hoping for leaks wasn't it rubio who

3246
01:58:43,750 --> 01:58:41,360
suggested we get leaks from the ua ptf

3247
01:58:45,910 --> 01:58:43,760
classified report way back this summer

3248
01:58:48,870 --> 01:58:45,920
i'm still waiting man i'm waiting rather

3249
01:58:50,870 --> 01:58:48,880
for those leaks um so you let me know if

3250
01:58:53,430 --> 01:58:50,880
they send anything your way or over at

3251
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:53,440
the debrief i'm sure the debrief would

3252
01:58:56,629 --> 01:58:54,800
be one of the places that they would

3253
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:56,639
leak that they did leak us a lot of the

3254
01:59:01,830 --> 01:58:59,440
um the very early ufo videos to come out

3255
01:59:04,550 --> 01:59:01,840
this past year along with jeremy corbell

3256
01:59:07,830 --> 01:59:04,560
who's done incredible work as well um

3257
01:59:09,669 --> 01:59:07,840
ricky carr carricus on twitter says i

3258
01:59:12,229 --> 01:59:09,679
want public hearings and thoughtful

3259
01:59:14,950 --> 01:59:12,239
questions more lawmakers being exposed

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01:59:17,270 --> 01:59:14,960
to the issue and dare i say subpoenas

3261
01:59:20,550 --> 01:59:17,280
that would be really interesting if we

3262
01:59:22,870 --> 01:59:20,560
got subpoenas in congress for ufos and

3263
01:59:25,510 --> 01:59:22,880
last but not least michael g on facebook

3264
01:59:27,430 --> 01:59:25,520
says the necessary and uncomfortable

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01:59:30,229 --> 01:59:27,440
shift we are going to have to make from

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01:59:33,430 --> 01:59:30,239
a reductionist and materialist worldview

3267
01:59:35,589 --> 01:59:33,440
to a selectionist in idealist

3268
01:59:37,830 --> 01:59:35,599
worldview that is a lot

3269
01:59:39,910 --> 01:59:37,840
to ponder that's pretty heavy to end the

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01:59:42,149 --> 01:59:39,920
show with but michael thank you for

3271
01:59:44,550 --> 01:59:42,159
contributing that um i want to thank

3272
01:59:46,229 --> 01:59:44,560
everyone in the chat for the super chat

3273
01:59:48,790 --> 01:59:46,239
super stickers and for all of your

3274
01:59:50,950 --> 01:59:48,800
questions and comments tonight it's been

3275
01:59:53,990 --> 01:59:50,960
just um more than i ever could have

3276
01:59:56,870 --> 01:59:54,000
asked for for our 2021 wrap up here

3277
01:59:58,470 --> 01:59:56,880
again thank you to micah and jane and

3278
02:00:02,390 --> 01:59:58,480
everyone here bye

3279
02:00:04,149 --> 02:00:02,400
aaron warlock rodrigo grand master um

3280
02:00:08,070 --> 02:00:04,159
all of you all of you for joining me

3281
02:00:10,629 --> 02:00:08,080
tonight robert and uh reptile uh psych

3282
02:00:12,870 --> 02:00:10,639
apocalypse um i know i haven't named

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02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:12,880
everyone but i do truly thank all of you

3284
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:15,840
for coming have a very happy holiday

3285
02:00:20,390 --> 02:00:17,760
season um

3286
02:00:23,030 --> 02:00:20,400
our good friend here um i forgot his

3287
02:00:25,430 --> 02:00:23,040
name already someone tell me that nelson

3288
02:00:28,390 --> 02:00:25,440
was it nelson that we named him nelson

3289
02:00:30,229 --> 02:00:28,400
says happy holidays he said i've gone

3290
02:00:33,350 --> 02:00:30,239
off the rails we're gonna end things

3291
02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:33,360
here guys you can find everything i do

3292
02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:36,080
at somewhere in the skies dot com if you

3293
02:00:42,070 --> 02:00:39,280
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3294
02:00:46,310 --> 02:00:42,080
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3295
02:00:48,070 --> 02:00:46,320
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3296
02:00:50,790 --> 02:00:48,080
and i should mention for the entire

3297
02:00:53,990 --> 02:00:50,800
month of december half of our patreon

3298
02:00:56,709 --> 02:00:54,000
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3299
02:00:59,510 --> 02:00:56,719
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3300
02:01:01,430 --> 02:00:59,520
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3301
02:01:04,709 --> 02:01:01,440
here in new york city that helps uh

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02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:04,719
displaced women and children and youth

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02:01:07,510 --> 02:01:05,520
uh

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02:01:10,390 --> 02:01:07,520
find the necessities they need to

3305
02:01:12,470 --> 02:01:10,400
survive as refugees here in america um

3306
02:01:14,070 --> 02:01:12,480
so again all of our merch sales will go

3307
02:01:16,149 --> 02:01:14,080
to that this month and half of our

3308
02:01:17,669 --> 02:01:16,159
patreon contributions if you want to

3309
02:01:19,910 --> 02:01:17,679
learn more about the women's refugee

3310
02:01:22,629 --> 02:01:19,920
commission just google them you can find

3311
02:01:24,310 --> 02:01:22,639
out everything they're up to and um yeah

3312
02:01:25,910 --> 02:01:24,320
i would really appreciate it if you

3313
02:01:28,390 --> 02:01:25,920
would be willing to do that and help out

3314
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:28,400
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3315
02:01:32,550 --> 02:01:30,400
the show as well by getting the word out

3316
02:01:34,709 --> 02:01:32,560
with our merch um all of our merch can

3317
02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:34,719
be found in the links in the show notes

3318
02:01:39,350 --> 02:01:37,440
as well and with that

3319
02:01:42,149 --> 02:01:39,360
thank you guys thank you for being here

3320
02:01:44,149 --> 02:01:42,159
have a wonderful morning night day

3321
02:01:46,470 --> 02:01:44,159
wherever you are in the world keep

3322
02:01:48,870 --> 02:01:46,480
looking up and as always keep your feet

3323
02:01:50,790 --> 02:01:48,880
on the ground but never stop searching